Professional profits

Discussion in 'Forex' started by drasfs, Oct 19, 2006.

  1. Buy1Sell2

    Buy1Sell2

    20 to 25% is very reasonable using 1 to 1 leverage and just weekly charts in fx futures. Selling option premium helps get the return into that range.
     
    #21     Oct 29, 2006
  2. Show some statements to back up this claim. Point to a reputable firm that made that in the last 1-2-3 years. We're waiting.

     
    #22     Oct 29, 2006
  3. Buy1Sell2

    Buy1Sell2

    On a conservative 20% to 25% annual return ??? I could understand if I made a 200% claim using weekly charts, but 20% -25%??? Those returns are extemely reasonable. FX futures(majors) have one or two huge trending moves on weeklies every year!
     
    #23     Oct 29, 2006
  4. FXPimp

    FXPimp

    20-25% is not unreasonable for a professional trader. Managed funds are never going to consistently return those kind of profits because its not their gameplan to. A few percent here and there on millions is their only strategy. As for my own experience, I used to make about 25-50% annually on leveraged money. Which equates to about 2.5%-5% unleveraged.
     
    #24     Oct 29, 2006
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  6. misha7

    misha7

    well in the long-run leverage should be irrelevant in a sense that expected return cannot be increased by increasing leverage..
     
    #26     Oct 29, 2006
  7. misha7

    misha7

    right.. :mad: :mad:
     
    #27     Oct 29, 2006
  8. imo, certainly not irrelevant, particularly when compounding is applied for a profitable trader/ manger year after year, as we can see the public records specifying used leverages of so many hedge funds and CTAs.
     
    #28     Oct 29, 2006
  9. FXPimp

    FXPimp

    Incorrect. Every day and every month are not the same. If a fund manager normally trades approximately X size, there will be occasions where volatility and potentially profitability may dramatically increase to the point where the manager may trade 2X size. Instead of using more "real" capital, simply increasing leverage allows the manager to exponentially improve profits when the opportunity presents itself.

    Simply put, the best traders commonly change their "bet" size based on market conditions.
     
    #29     Oct 29, 2006
  10. misha7

    misha7


    note that I said "in the long run" (Modigliani-Miller world if you want), which does not mean that you cannot have a profitable strategy utilizing leverage.
    Look, retail traders get 200x1 leverage and you know their "profitability". Obviously professionals (whatever that means) use leverage, but it's wrong to say that you can make XXX instead of XX if you use leverage. Of course you CAN but you can as well lose as much.
    Anyhow, if you believe this then I recomment finding an FX strategy that yields 0.001% and leverage it up to the wazoo.. :)
     
    #30     Oct 29, 2006