Professional or Non-Professional Subscriber for Exchange Data Fees

Discussion in 'Professional Trading' started by JSOP, Feb 26, 2017.

  1. JSOP

    JSOP

    Is Sole Proprietor taxed at the personal tax rate by the IRS like in Canada or does it enjoy corporate tax rate?
     
    #61     Mar 1, 2017
  2. sprstpd

    sprstpd

    Personal rate.
     
    #62     Mar 1, 2017
  3. sprstpd

    sprstpd

    Not sure, but it seems like it comes down to how the brokerage account is opened. If you open it in your personal name, then you are a non-professional. If you open it in a corporate name, you are a professional. However, if you incorporate (not in your own name), then obviously you can't trade in a personal account and then attribute those profits to a corporation. To me, the grey area is if you incorporate as a sole proprietor under your own name. My best guess is if you have to go through some incorporation process, then you would be a professional.
     
    #63     Mar 1, 2017
  4. algofy

    algofy

    Personal rate, but the US personal rate is generally cheaper than the corporate rate.
     
    #64     Mar 1, 2017
  5. JSOP

    JSOP

    That's what my fear is too. Once I incorporate, I will lose the non-prof. status but then I might be able to claim all the data fees as expenses... I will have to talk to an accountant.

    Thanks
     
    #65     Mar 1, 2017
  6. Fonz

    Fonz

    Hello all!

    I have an LLC (Florida based, Limited Liability Company, taxed as a partnership). I trade in the name of this LLC.
    This is an entity and like anything not in a "personal name" (trusts, companies, organizations, etc...), this entity is classified as a Professional by the US Exchanges (NYSE, CME, etc..).
    My brokers are IB and Tradestation. They both know the rule.

    Entity = Professional
    Retail (in your own name) = Non professional
    The NFA, CFTC, Exchanges, Brokers and Introducing Brokers, have to classify "entities" as "professionals", by law.

    Regarding Sole Proprietorship, it is actually an acknowledgement that an individual is conducting business in her/his own name or even with a business name (DBA, Doing Business As...) and can even separate her/his personal activities and finances from her/his business activities.
    But that doesn't mean that is an entity. For that reason, an individual should just apply as a "retail" and not as a Professional or Sole Proprietor (which can be confusing).
    Any retail can conduct her/his investments or trading activities in a "business manner", and even day trades 24/7, that will still be a "retail" in that case.

    Regarding IRS and "business trader" classification, it is a different topic.
    For example, my LLC is classified so far as a trader in securities and MTM accounting + trader in commodities.
    "Business trader" = trader in IRS language. Any non business trader is an investor, in IRS language.
    FYI, there is "no rate" for that kind of company. This is a "pass trough" company, meaning that owners (members to be precise) of the company will pay the taxes.
    As I said, it is a different topic.

    Happy trades!
     
    #66     Mar 4, 2017
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