Professional or Non Professional Investor - Data Fees

Discussion in 'Interactive Brokers' started by ZZ Trader, May 24, 2021.

  1. ZZ Trader

    ZZ Trader

    Thank you again for all the help, Robert.
     
    #11     May 24, 2021
  2. def

    def Sponsor

    ZZ, send a ticket to client services. Explain the above and that will start the process to get you to non-professional. The main issue with the pro fees is that the onus is on the broker to prove you are not professional and your NFA license or other background info must have been flagged.
    GFIS is a subsidiary of IBG and client services can assist with your request.
     
    #12     May 27, 2021
  3. mrrvogl

    mrrvogl

    Does anyone know if getting "trader status" for tax purposes and moving to Mark to Market accounting automatically make you a professional?
     
    #13     May 31, 2021
  4. qlai

    qlai

    I don’t think so. In below article it says

    “Notwithstanding that traders are in a trade or business, they are not subject to self-employment tax owing to the rule that dividends, interest from securities, and gain or loss from the sale of capital assets are not considered self-employment income.”

    So if it’s not considered employment income, I assume you are not considered a professional. But I don’t know for sure.

    https://www.thetaxadviser.com/issues/2010/feb/sec475mark-to-marketelection.html
     
    #14     May 31, 2021
  5. tiddlywinks

    tiddlywinks

    Brokers/FCMs have no idea what kind of accounting changes you are qualified for or have elected for tax purposes,
    beyond the titling and/or type of brokerage account.
     
    #15     May 31, 2021
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  6. Robert Morse

    Robert Morse Sponsor

    The exchanges in their questionnaire do not ask about MTM accounting.
     
    Last edited: May 31, 2021
    #16     May 31, 2021
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  7. Robert Morse

    Robert Morse Sponsor

    Securities brokers need to know. FCMs do not as all futures are MTM here in the USA.

     
    Last edited: May 31, 2021
    #17     May 31, 2021
  8. tiddlywinks

    tiddlywinks


    Yes, futures are MTM by default. But the rest of your post is nonsense!

    Securities brokers issue 1099-B which do not in any way account for IRS tax provisions applicable to and/or elected by the taxpayer. For instance, a 1099-B is not different if the taxpayer has elected MTM accounting or not. What if MTM was filed after account opening? And TTS (Trader Tax Status) doesn't even have a bright-line test at the IRS.

    Beyond the KYC questions, and possible credit pull, the titling and type of account is pretty much all you got regarding the tax preparation setup of the taxpayer.
     
    #18     May 31, 2021
  9. Robert Morse

    Robert Morse Sponsor

    Our clients that file for MTM with the IRS, fill out a form called "Mark To Market Election Form." We then send that to Wedbush Securities, the clearing broker for our account, so the end of year 1099 is reported correctly, not based on FIFO with realized P/L only but MTM P/L at year end with no wash sales.

     
    #19     May 31, 2021
  10. tiddlywinks

    tiddlywinks


    Great! And now back to the question I jumped in on...

    So Robert, does that mean anyone that fills out your internal form named "Mark To Market Election Form" is automatically classified as a "professional" for data fees?
     
    #20     May 31, 2021