Probability of a stock to follow a specific pathway

Discussion in 'Options' started by MrAgi1, Jun 11, 2021.

  1. MrAgi1

    MrAgi1

    Numerical example:

    How can I calculate the probability of the complex event below to occur within a particular duration of time. If the event does not occur it is classed a failure.


    The current price of a stock called XYZ is $100 (i.e delta of +-0.5 for an $100 strike call/put)


    First Condition:

    I need the stock to touch $90. Before touching the $90 any price may be touched that is less than $110. If $110 or higher is touched before the $90 that is a failure.


    NOTE: When XYZ at the start was $100; A $90 put strike had a delta of -0.27 and A $110 call strike had a delta of +0.27.



    Second Condition:

    If the first Condition is satisfied(i.e $90 had just been touched without touching $110 first), then now XYZ can touch any price, even $110 or above but the new restriction is that it can not touch $80.


    NOTE: Because price just touched $90 deltas have changed. However at the start when XYZ was at $100 the $80 put strike would have a delta of -0.21.


    Delta is approximately twice the probability of touch. I need an approximate answer to what the probability of the stock to follow the complex part is going to be?


    Thanks for your contributions.
     
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  2. Tradex

    Tradex

    Tricky question.

    Assuming the stock is moving at random, it has a 50% chance of touching $90 and a 50% chance of touching $110, a 10% move in both cases (from its initial $100 price).

    Of course if the stock is already in a downtrend (below some moving average for instance), it will probably touch $90 first.

    Keep in mind that financial markets are not random (they "trend"), so it is almost impossible to calculate the probability of the events you are describing.
     
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  3. Peter8519

    Peter8519

    I plot the distribution of daily price changes in % for about 5000 stocks. It looks normal with center at 0.
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    I plot frequency distribution of how long a stock can stay above a moving average.
    50ma.jpg
    As you can see, about 90% can't stay about 50MA within 10 days. I have tried 30 and 40 MA and they show similar trend. Patient!

    Look at the industry trend. They tend to trend together. This just an example and not a recommendation.
    REIT.jpg


    When charts show nice trend be weary... VIAC and DISCA.
     
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  4. taowave

    taowave

    Are you trying to price a double knockout/no touch?
     
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  5. taowave

    taowave

    The option markets ,I.e skew and all that fun stuff would disagree with your assessment..

    Are you familiar with basic option theory and probability of touch??


     
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  6. MrAgi1

    MrAgi1

    Yes, Something like that.
     
  7. Tradex

    Tradex

    You forgot to mention that while the distributions of daily and even monthly stock returns are more or less symmetric about their means, the tails are fatter than would be expected with normal distributions.

    And this has been observed in every freely-traded financial market, including (but not limited to) the Futures and the Forex markets.

    This explains why simple trend-following techniques work.
     
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  8. Tradex

    Tradex

    Yes, but here we are simply talking about the probability of a stock moving 10% up or down.

    Can you calculate it?
     
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  9. taowave

    taowave

    Quick correction on you Delta vs prob of touch

    Probabilty of touch is 2x delta...


     
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  10. newwurldmn

    newwurldmn

    this is all wrong.

    it’s possible to price the implied probability of this using the vol surface but someone with more knowledge than I about exotics would have to chime in.
     
    #10     Jun 12, 2021
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