First, I spend ~2 years with stock trading (even intradeys) , more than 150 trades excecuted. Result: -25%. Without commision is: -2%. I have read many books, tested many own and others strategy by Amibroker. Papertrade by oanda.com. I cannot win What I can learned: 1. ATR and commision% relation is important when I enter to position. 2. breakout strategies are loser even with moneymanagment and volume filters. 3. simple gap up/down candle pattern strategies are good performers. With 60-70% winrate and 20-40% return on some (but not all) market. But I cannot follow that, because its need really ful time job. 4. indicators are losers. After that, I thought trading is not a craft, but an art. Craft can be learn, but art needs some speciality. So, I tried zulu trader. Rent 5-6 guys, and i got disappointing result after 1 month:~-10%. Because I never ever talked, see any people living from active trading for years, I getting to though it is impossible! Yes, of cours i know people living from trading result. But, THEY WAS ONE SUCCESFULL YEAR, AND THEY STOP TRADING AND INVEST TO REAL BUSSINES. OR GETTING TO SELL TRADING RELATED SERVICES. HUGE DIFFERENCE!. i JUST THINK THEY WERE LUCKY ONLY, NOT PROFFESSIONALS. So what do you think?