Price/Volume Relationship

Discussion in 'Technical Analysis' started by bluedemon77, Jan 28, 2007.

  1. Thanks for the clarity, Jack. Appreciated. :cool:
     
    #31     Jan 30, 2007
  2. Here is my input>

    I went through a technical analysis program in SF at www.ggu.edu headed up by Hank Pruden. I was a average equity trader making a living grinding stock for 6 hours a day.

    I believe this works best in liquid index and commodity products and have not traded a stock in many years.


    Prof Pruden teaches a method using 3 Wyckoff Principals for Money Managers and Investor Types. The time frame is much longer than my 1 min to 1 hour trades, but Markets are fractal and work on many time frames.

    1) Supply and Demand
    2) Cause and Effect
    3) Effort and Result

    Effort is the volume in the Charts and Result is the range of the bar that the effort causes. This simple concept is all that is needed to find high probability trades that move to the area of least resistance. Based on where we are in the price cycle...this simple analysis allow you to trade bell to bell based on the typical cycle of climax blows offs and climax sell offs. The middle of these zones are simply signs and strength and signs of weakness that they markets and market participants throw off. Read the signs of the volume and price action and the decision making becomes simpler and no need to deal with your favorite lagging indicator.
     
    #32     Jan 30, 2007
  3. bluedemon77

    bluedemon77 Guest

    Very interesting, Prof. I've never read about this approach before. I haven't read that long thread yet, but I will. AmiBroker isn't set up for volume bars and I'm not sure how hard it would be to set them up or whether or not it's possible with IQFeed or IB Feed, but I'll look into it.

    What's the bottom indicator? And the zig-zag yellow line is just a zig-zag or something else? It looks like you just trade based on S/R with no averages, channels, etc.?
     
    #33     Jan 31, 2007
  4. The problem with volume bars, I found Pro Logic is that they don't get cut at the right volume because of block trades. This happened to me in both Esignal and Sierra Chart. According to a post a ways back from you, if they aren't consistent that's no good. I am going off memory, but I do recall a post of you made in about a month ago. I don't know if multi charts can cut a bar at exact volume, but if Esignal can't that seems to be a problem with using volume bars.

    I did appreciate your taking the time to educate us. :)
     
    #34     Jan 31, 2007
  5. Hi BlueDemon77,

    Amibroker does have N-volume bars built in, although I haven't used them.

    This is from v4.80

    TimeFrameMode( 2 );

    - switches time frame functions to N-volume bar operation (positive values passed to TimeFrameSet are treated nowas N-volme bars)

    Example:

    TimeFrameMode( 2 );
    TimeFrameSet( 50000 ); // 50'000 share bars..
    ...do something ...
    TimeFrameRestore();



     
    #35     Jan 31, 2007
  6. bluedemon77

    bluedemon77 Guest

    Outstanding! Thanks for the tip, mischief
     
    #36     Jan 31, 2007
  7. bluedemon77

    bluedemon77 Guest

    I had a longer look at your chart and I have to say this is one of the most helpful things I've seen posted on ET. How do you define your setups and what makes one aggressive and another conservative? What's PPF?
     
    #37     Jan 31, 2007
  8. Do you think volume bars are superior to time bars?
     
    #38     Jan 31, 2007
  9. Guys,

    PL has posted the link to the thread that discusses volume bars in detail and the post -- and link -- has been quoted twice. At least read the thread before asking questions.

    LC
     
    #39     Jan 31, 2007
  10. K-Rock

    K-Rock

    I like constant volume bars, because it filters some of the noise produced by time charts during congestion periods. However I'm beginning to question if constant volume bars are perfect, and if it accurately displays the relationship between price & volume. For example, after reading bolter's thread (http://elitetrader.com/vb/showthread.php?s=&threadid=63202) about volume profile, he clearly demonstrates the lack of volume (a valley) at a certain price is just as important as a peak in volume. Constant volume bars are great when there is a lot of volume to measure price action, but when volume is low and there is volatility in price you end up with a lot of wide range bars similar to time charts, and the only way to compensate for this is to zoom in by using a smaller interval to see the price action. So the problem becomes what interval is right for current market conditions. Just my 2 cents.
     
    #40     Jan 31, 2007