President Trump, Please Fulfill Your Promises, Enact Your Vows

Discussion in 'Politics' started by Ricter, Nov 26, 2024.

  1. I do not dispute that the US has frozen bank accounts and that the libtards are hellbent on an authoritarian 1984 hellscape where there is a uniparty in which they control speech, determine what is true, censor/cancel anyone that disagrees with them, and debank/freeze accounts of anyone who dares to have a different opinion.

    But, when did the US freeze bank accounts on a large scale for citizens engaged in a peaceful protest?
     
    #111     Dec 4, 2024
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  3. gwb-trading

    gwb-trading

    #113     Dec 4, 2024
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  4. wrbtrader

    wrbtrader

    Don't be lazy...I was nice enough to give you a list of government agencies in the United States that freeze bank accounts or seize the properties of U.S. citizens for whatever reason those government agencies determine was Ok to do such.

    Regardless, just like Trump and then Biden...a government has the right to protect its citizens while ignoring the rights of those citizens...we can not have it both ways in a global health crisis.

    Those in Canada made the same decision when truckers from another country (the United States) wanted to violate Canada's vaccine mandate. Canadians who tried to help truckers illegally cross the border into a country that wanted to protect its citizens during a Pandemic were treated no differently than Trump wants to treat undocumented immigrants...deport, freeze bank accounts et cetera.

    The one issue you need to remember, Canada greatly outperformed the United States during the Covid Pandemic...fewer Covid infections, fewer Covid hospitalizations, fewer days in the hospital from a severe Covid illness, and few Covid deaths.

    Canada decided to put the safety of its citizens first over the rights of freedom of speech. Isn't that what Trump plans to do with his new immigration policy at the southern border and the northern border with the threat of 25% tariffs ???

    My views of healthcare policies and mandates are different than yours. You believe what you want to believe and believe what I want to believe from my experiences and education in infectious airborne diseases.

    Thus, I no longer have the stomach debating about vaccines, mandates, border closures, Pandemic et cetera.

    More importantly, I lost several neighbors in the United States to the Pandemic and only lost one neighbor in Canada to the Pandemic. My brother is a Doctor in South Dakota and my youngest brother an EMT in Kentucky...they saw much worst than me.

    They're in the United States while I was in Canada. It is the reason why their experiences in the Pandemic was worse than my experience.

    The commonality was ignorance and misinformation about health guidelines in the Pandemic. All of them should be alive today and were healthy going into the Pandemic regardless who in the fuck started the Pandemic.

    Reminder (3rd time) - The Pandemic is over. It's time for you to move on with your life like the rest of us have done. Life is good again. :cool:

    Both governments did something differently for their citizens...one outperformed the other in the Pandemic. There are many threads here at the forum that discusses in great detail the reasons for the difference in Pandemic performance between the United States and Canada.

    Please go troll elsewhere about Trump/Pence shutdowns, Trump's border closures to the world while exempting the U.K., Trump/Pence Covid Vaccine, Biden's shutdowns, and Biden's vaccine mandates, or Canada's vaccine mandates.

    We get it...everything the governments of the United States and Canada did in the Pandemic is the behavior of Communism. :rolleyes:

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    #114     Dec 4, 2024
  5. It's the fact let's face it...
    Being MAGA is Cool!
     
    #115     Dec 4, 2024
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  6. Nine_Ender

    Nine_Ender

    Canada didn't "freeze bank accounts on a large scale". What you've done here is taken a limited event and embellished it into some huge deal you want to rant about forever. It's pointless. As the other poster said, the IRS is famous for freezing people's assets they are cutthroat at it a far bigger risk to your "rights" than anything I'll ever face in Canada. The US has far more pitfalls one can fall into that can severely impact your "freedom". We have a much stronger safety net when people hit hard times.

    You are totally lost in bs. Trump certainly caters to your type by promising you the world but for the most part he doesn't deliver. So you hook into things like threatening tariffs without even understanding how they impact your economy.
     
    #116     Dec 6, 2024
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  7. gwb-trading

    gwb-trading

    Not to mention that the police in the U.S. regularly seize people's cash and valuables via civil forfeiture -- even when the individual is not charged with a crime.
     
    #117     Dec 6, 2024
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  8. Ricter

    Ricter

    Trump, please deport whole families including legal residents, and please "end" the 14th Amendment. You have to, as you say...


    In a chat with NBC's "Meet the Press," the president-elect saw no reason why something like citizenship should get in the way of his mass deportation scheme.

    When interviewer Kristen Welker asked the president how he planned to deal with families with mixed immigration statuses, Trump said that he would "keep them together," provided they all chose to leave the country.

    "I don’t want to be breaking up families, so the only way you don’t break up the family is you keep them together and you have to send them all back," he said.

    Trump also refused to acknowledge that forced deportation of legal residents of the U.S. could be horrible on its face. He said that any outrage around the program would be the result of media manipulation and ginned-up controversy.

    "I’ll tell you what’s going to be horrible, when we take a wonderful young woman who’s with a criminal. And they show the woman, and she could stay by the law, but they show the woman being taken out," he said. "Your cameras are focused on her as she’s crying as she’s being taken out of our country. And then the public turns against us. But we have to do our job."

    Trump also said he's looking to end birthright citizenship, as it complicates his deportation schemes for people who immigrated illegally and then had children.

    “We have to end it,” he said of the right protected under the 14th Amendment."
     
    #118     Dec 8, 2024
  9. wrbtrader

    wrbtrader

    I may have a misunderstanding of birthright citizenship.

    I thought it was only given to those born on U.S. soil but if one of the parents was a U.S. Citizen. Yet, it seems that "naturalization" is for those born on U.S. soil regardless if one of the parents is a U.S. citizen or both not citizens.

    Looking for criminals to deport should be an easy process but deporting an entire family that has mixed status (one of the parents is a U.S. citizen, the other parent is undocumented with children born on U.S. soil/obtained U.S. Passports/obtained U.S. social security cards because of birthright to the one parent that's a U.S. citizen)...

    To then deport the entire family because one in the family is undocumented. I see a shitstorm coming especially if the U.S. citizen is also a U.S. Armed Force member.

    They're going to deport that U.S. Armed Forces member with his or her family because of marriage to an undocumented immigrant...to then say to the U.S. soldier..."thank you for your service"???

    The deportation process should have exceptions such as when members of the family have no criminal record with one of the parents a U.S. military soldier. That family should be exempt from Deportation considering it's unconstitutional to kick out a U.S. citizen serving his/her country on active duty, reserves, or national guard when they're honorably serving the United States of America.

    To deport that U.S. citizen married to an undocumented immigrant...someone recently suggested the U.S. has no "communistic behaviors". Instead, it's other countries...not the U.S. :rolleyes:

    That shitstorm should hit when they try to raid and deport U.S. military families that has a parent that is an undocumented immigrant...families living off-base and on-base.

    Civilian law enforcement will hit a wall when trying to enter a military base to deport a U.S. military officer and his/her family living on base because someone in the family is undocumented...law on military bases is under a different jurisdiction than civilian law. ​

    What about U.S. soldiers serving abroad in other countries (e.g. South Korea) married to someone that's not a U.S. citizen and never tried to cross the U.S. border...kick the soldier out of the U.S. military and say you're not welcome back to the United States ???

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    #119     Dec 8, 2024
  10. SUMMARY

    A person born on U.S. soil is a U.S. citizen, regardless of their parents' immigration or citizenship status. You may have to take a step to complete the action I believe but you do not lose your citzenship if you never get a passport.

    U.S.-born citizens have full citizenship rights and cannot be deported, even if they have legal trouble. Since a U.S. citizen is a member of the country, they cannot be removed from it.

    Naturalized citizens generally have the same rights as U.S.-born citizens, but there is a rare exception called denaturalization. Denaturalization can occur if a naturalized citizen:
    • Funds terrorist groups
    • Commits war crimes
    • Joins a terrorist group within five years of becoming a U.S. citizen

    Therefore I am not sure what the rhetoric is being spouted on CNN and FOX but U.S. citizens cannot be deported. So anyone saying so is just spreading bullshit.
    Also trump cannot change the 14th Amendment so anyone born in the U.S. is a U.S. citizen unless they denounce or willingly give up their citizenship. Birthright citzenship is in the Constitution and upheld by the SC. So not really an issue.
     
    #120     Dec 8, 2024
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