President Trump:Burn the Flag and lose your citizenship

Discussion in 'Politics' started by Greenie, Nov 29, 2016.


  1. It's very complicated. People have been brainwashed to believe that a Supreme Court decision which comes out the way liberals wanted it "settles" the issue for all time. It doesn't. While respect for constitutional decisions is a bedrock principle, it isn't absolute. Plenty of decisions have been overturned over the years. Given the increasing and obvious politicization of the federal courts, respect for precedent must be tempered with common sense.

    The Supreme Court has screwed up few areas of the law as badly as the First Amendment. Beginning approximately with the radical Warren Court in the 1950's, we saw generations of settled law overturned on flimsy grounds based on political expediency. The civil rights movement of the 1960's and the anti-Vietnam war movement of the '70's led to a raft of dubious decisions based more on sympathy for the causes and virtue signaling than Constitutional analysis.

    The flag burning cases are symbolically important. What expressive right is being exercised by burning a flag, other than treasonous contempt for the country and its history? The act is little more than an infantile tantrum, which obviously seems to appeal to progressives but carries little in the way of the sort of actual political debate the First Amendment exists to safeguard. Banning flag burning in no way infringes on protestors' right to voice their objections to government policy, etc. It merely regulates the means of expression, just as banning sound trucks at 3Am in a residential neighborhood does.
     
    #51     Dec 1, 2016
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  2. It's interesting to contrast flag burning with koran burning, which progressives would desperately like to ban and which the government has taken extraordinary steps to discourage.

    First, we owe no allegiance to the koran or the system of repressive government it dictates. It has no significance in our history or traditions. It is not in any way a symbol of our country.

    Burning a koran though has an obvious symbolic message. It represents a rejection of the repressive practices and odious beliefs set forth therein. Countries under the rule of islamists see this clearly and desecretating a koran is a capital offense.
     
    #52     Dec 1, 2016
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  3. java

    java

    Impose a carbon tax and make flag burning too expensive. Use the revenue for flag recycling containers.
     
    #53     Dec 1, 2016
  4. Ditch

    Ditch

     
    #54     Dec 1, 2016
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  5. Ricter

    Ricter

    Flippy floppy Drumpf.

    "President-elect Donald Trump, who on Tuesday suggested jailing or stripping the citizenship of those who burn the American flag, offered a different view less than six months before joining the presidential race.

    "During a Jan. 8, 2015, appearance on CBS’s “The Late Show,” Trump told then-host David Letterman that he was “100 percent right” when Letterman said that flag burning represented freedom of expression and that people should be allowed to do so."

     
    #55     Dec 1, 2016
  6. java

    java

    How clever of you drumpfers to notice hypocrisy. Please continue to point it out. I like it when you do that. Have you noticed turkeys don't fly very good (purposely didn't use the word well because I don't want to break the mood)? Just thought I would point that out for those that are not really into drumpfing. They may not have noticed. Carry on. You're doing a good job.
     
    #56     Dec 1, 2016