We also see employers backing down and saying they will not terminate immediately. But as I said in my initial post, we know you will come forward and say everything is groovy. No stresses in households or workplaces. Meanwhile, shiite for brains DeBlasio just announced mandates for all city employees just to keep things divisive. We got from the get-go that you need to be right here though, so that should result in lots more posts and threads from you on it. And I do mean a lot. Meanwhile, I am going with major divisiveness in the country going on. We get that things are fine your you in your basement and you will not be laid off in your basement anytime soon. Also, as I said. employers can keep backing down too. That could be a way to avoid most of it. It is not your preferred outcome though. You want to see working Americans busted down and shamed on this issue- the more the better.
The only employers we have seen slightly backing down this week are Southwest and American Airlines. Across other sectors all we have seen is strong announcements this week about employee vaccine mandates from GE and other companies. Bottom Line: Vaccine Mandates work. 70% of business executives strongly support them. We are not seeing more than 0.3% of people quit due to vaccine mandates in workplaces -- many times this is less than their average monthly attrition pre-Covid.
I think I made the point several times over that I said that most would end out getting vaccinated and that it would nevertheless create divisiveness amongst the workers who felt that they were strong armed and cowered into getting vaccinated. I then said a couple times that you would nevetheless post statistics showing that everything was groovy because most people ended out doing what they had and bite the bullet on the humiliation and get vaccinated. So far, you are right on the graph curve where I said you would be. We have seen the movie before. I am looking at the front page of the politics section right now and there are nine covid and vaccinations thread started by you, and then a pile on the next page. Try to keep it bounded a little. Your need to be right gets to be obsessive in threads and you start monitoring what Matt Gaetz had for breakfast. Heh, another one just popped up. Make that ten on the front page. I rest my case Your Honor.
Our country has over 700,000 deaths from Covid. Our country should be a bit more obsessive in stopping hundreds of thousands of more deaths due to Covid misinformation and poor public policy --- especially now since most Covid deaths and hospitalizations are preventable thanks to the vaccine.
They made a mistake threatening mandates. There is just automatically going to be contrary people when you attempt to force something like an injection. But they haven't actually instituted any mandate as I've pointed out several times. Companies therefore don't have a sound legal basis for mandating vaccines with threat of termination so they are going to run into trouble. Why doesn't Joe issue an Executive Order mandating vaccines? Because then it could be overturned all at once by a single judge. So instead we have this fake mandate that is running companies onto the rocks.
Let's take a look at the reality where things are at with the OSHA rule for a employer Covid vaccine mandate. This is an OSHA workplace regulation not an EO. OSHA Sends COVID-19 Vaccination Rule to White House for Final Review https://www.shrm.org/resourcesandto...ccination-rule-to-white-house-for-review.aspx October 13, 2021 Businesses with at least 100 employees may soon receive direction on an anticipated COVID-19 workplace vaccination and testing mandate from the Occupational Safety and Health Administration (OSHA). On Oct. 12, the agency sent its emergency temporary standard (ETS) to the White House for final review. We've rounded up resources and articles from SHRM Online and other trusted outlets on the news. President Announces Plan On Sept. 9, President Joe Biden announced that OSHA would issue an ETS requiring covered businesses to mandate that their workers be vaccinated against the coronavirus or undergo weekly testing. Covered employers will also have to give workers paid time off to get vaccinated or recover from any side effects of getting vaccinated. Employers that don't comply with the vaccine mandate or paid-time-off requirement may face fines of up to $14,000 per violation. The rule will impact more than 80 million workers, according to the White House. (SHRM Online) Expedited Process OSHA sent the rule to the White House Office of Information and Regulatory Affairs on Oct. 12. The regulatory review process can sometimes take months, but Biden called for an expedited process for the emergency standard. So the regulatory office could quickly conclude its review any day now, which would prompt OSHA to publish the ETS. The ETS could take effect immediately upon publication, but OSHA generally provides businesses with a little time before they must comply. (Bloomberg Law) Questions Remain OSHA's plan hasn't been made available to the public. "The details of what the ETS will include are scarce at this point, leaving many questions unanswered," noted law firm Fisher Phillips. How will the 100-employee threshold be counted? Will employers be required to collect proof of vaccination? What type of testing will be required? Will remote employees be covered? "You should begin preparing now for the forthcoming Emergency Temporary Standard by establishing policies for determining employees' vaccination status and procedures for tracking weekly test results," according to Fisher Phillips. "You should also prepare for the possibility that employees may refuse to comply with the requirements of the ETS and begin planning an appropriate response—which would include terminating their employment." Fisher Phillips predicts that the White House will approve the ETS by Oct. 15 and OSHA will make the details available to the public between Oct. 18 and Oct. 20. Employers may have some additional time before the rule is officially published and enforcement begins. (SHRM Online) and (Fisher Phillips) [SHRM members-only resource: How to Prepare for OSHA's COVID-19 Vaccination Emergency Temporary Standard] Employers React to Mandate Some business leaders are waiting to review the details of OSHA's ETS before making changes to their policies. Other executives have extended their remote-work policies to give themselves time to review the ETS. Some smaller employers are concerned about the cost and other compliance burdens that the new rule will impose, and at least one small-business advocacy group is planning to file a legal challenge. According to a survey of HR leaders conducted by research firm Gartner on Sept. 15, 46 percent of respondents said they plan to require employees to get vaccinated in locations that allow such policies. However, more than 33 percent of respondents said they remain unsure about their vaccine plans. (The Wall Street Journal) Federal Employees and Contractors Must Get Vaccinated In addition to the directive for private employers, Biden issued Executive Order 14042, which requires federal employees and contractors to be vaccinated against the coronavirus. Federal employees will need to be fully vaccinated by Nov. 22 and contractors by Dec. 8. In FAQs, the Safer Federal Workforce Task Force reminded federal agencies that they still must comply with applicable federal laws—including privacy and collective bargaining obligations—when requesting vaccination information. Prior to the vaccine mandate's effective date, onsite contractors who are not fully vaccinated must show proof of a negative COVID-19 test taken no more than three days before entering a federal building. (SHRM Online) Visit SHRM's resource hub page on the coronavirus and COVID-19.
Correct indeed. One of the obsessive posters obsessively makes the point ad nauseum that the courts have upheld vaccine mandates. To whiich I have uselessly replied several times that the Supreme Court has upheld the power of a state to issue a mandate under the police powers of a state. The feds/ white house are on shaky ground but their plan - as always- is to run a shame-and-divide campaign where the law is not on their side. And the media lines up with that but carefully carves out blacks and minorities where it is not convenient.
You better go take a look at all the federal court rulings. Vaccine mandates have been held up at all levels of government. Vaccine mandates for employees have been upheld in numerous federal court decisions. As noted by many legal experts -- the support of vaccine mandates is established from a legal perspective at this time. Upper courts are not going to be overturning OSHA regulations requiring Covid vaccinations. The White House is not on shaky ground whatsoever.
Oh I am quite familiar. And the courts have upheld vaccine mandates in instances where the feds have jurisdiction over the activity. For general population mandates, the Supreme Court cases were via the police powers of the state. It gets to be repetitive, mate. The points have been made. And Biden would be doiing more if he had more authority. We know you can bring volume to all things vaccine/Gaetz/DeSantis related so you have that advantage. Take a walk, and come up for air. Did you sleep last night, mate? You won't miss anything if you do. The posts will still be there and you can start right in again.
Are you so entranced by media narratives that you can longer comprehend what you read and lost your ability to reason? Consider me a land transportation expert who knows the nuances of drivers effecting the sector. I can reliably predict the effect of policy upon both short term and long term supply and demand. Trucking industry demographics include a large group of Republican supporters who are near retirement age. Forced vaccinations will cause the early retirement of a significant number of truckers, exasperating short term supply chain issues. If you are in doubt about this, use a search engine on this issue. <Insert “Eye-roll” emoji here>