Prediction: Losing election simply due to climate scepticism

Discussion in 'Politics' started by OddTrader, Dec 18, 2015.

  1. 1 week ban! lol
     
    #91     Dec 21, 2015
  2. Ricter

    Ricter

    Hehe
     
    #92     Dec 21, 2015
  3. when everybody in Mali has enough firewood, charcoal, and god forbid enough gasoline to drive something somewhere, then I will listen to you pontificate how they should live now that the majority of us no longer like dirty energy.

    Yes, if everybody was like us, we could come up with simple rules for society to follow. So far about the best they ever came up with was The Ten Commandments.

    You're willing to make it hard on the minority for the good of the majority

    I guess it depends on who you define as a minority and how you define it (it's not always math)

    My minority are the people who have not yet caught up with the majority, and depriving them of what they want and need because it is no longer needed or wanted by the majority is placing something else above freedom. If you are looking for a place between total freedom and security, check out religion. They have a long history of maintaing a balance. Isn't that what you want? Or is it you just want to control what the church has always controlled?
     
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    #93     Dec 21, 2015
  4. Respect the minority's rights is a definitely good thing, certainly!
     
    #94     Dec 21, 2015
  5. I wasn't aware that minorities have special rights.

    I heard somewhere that all of us have certain unalienable rights that were not granted by or can be taken away by men.
     
    #95     Dec 21, 2015
  6. This issue is a bit complex and complicate.

    Special rights for disadvantaged minority such as (intellectual or physical) disability should be quite normal and needed.


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    https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Minority_group

    Definition

    Refers to members of minority groups. The term is used to address the controversy with the use of the word minority.[1] Cultural diversity definitions can be as controversial as diversity projects and initiatives.
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    https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Minority_rights

    Minority rights are the normal individual rights as applied to members of racial, ethnic, class, religious, linguistic or sexual minorities; and also the collective rights accorded to minority groups. .Minority rights may also apply simply to individual rights of anyone who is not part of a majority decision.

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    #96     Dec 21, 2015
  7. jem

    jem

    so because your team tells insurance companies how to pool risks... you feel you have a right to tell someone to stop smoking?
    Do you realize how sick that is? That is the cancerous thinking that drives big govt leftism to totalitarinism. And while you think you are not pre fascist... your buddies who think just like you are.

    so tell the govt to dismantle obamacare type bullshit... and let the insurance company pool their risks properly and charge accordingly.

    then he can smoke his ass off... but warn him that he might not get much medical care in the end.

    choices.

    do you realize that people from all over the world are having american women be surrogates and then when the women or the babies need health care our govt or our hospitals frequently get stuck with the tab.

    our govt and the people who vote for this crap... amaze me. particularly those who think they are smarter than the average bear. Just no ability to systematically think things through to their conclusions.



     
    #97     Dec 21, 2015
  8. I'm already smoking my ass off, and I doubt anything the government tries to do to stop it will make me change anymore than Obama and his climate alarmists will ever stop flying around from golf course to golf course. But it's fun to talk about.

    My only point was, just because you finally quit smoking, don't deprive some new young emerging market from the thrill of dirty cheap energy even though you know in the end once they get addicted it can be a real bitch to quit. That's like telling a homeless person, "I would give you my Big Mac and Supersized Fries and 16 oz drink, but in the end it would be bad for you."

    You and I know it's bad, but it was good for a brief time, and everybody needs to have their time. And that is why I don't like developed nations telling emerging nations how they should live.
     
    #98     Dec 21, 2015
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    http://www.marketwatch.com/story/5-...s-will-elect-the-president-in-2016-2015-10-20

    Opinion: 5 reasons Hispanic Catholics will elect the president in 2016
    By Paul B. Farrell

    Published: Oct 20, 2015 12:22 a.m. ET


    Climate-science denier cannot win vote, thanks to Pope Francis
    Reuters

    U.S. Speaker of the House John Boehner, right, wipes away tear as he listens to Pope Francis with House Majority Leader Kevin McCarthy after a joint meeting of the U.S. Congress in Washington in September.

    More bad news for the GOP in the race for the White House 2016. New poll pits Hispanic Catholics against white Catholics. Turns out Pope Francis’s visit and his climate encyclical aligned Hispanic-Americans with an earlier finding by Public Policy Polling: A climate-science denier cannot win the U.S. presidency.

    “Voters have little tolerance for a presidential candidate in 2016 who doesn’t believe that climate change is caused by human activity. Crucial independent voters, in particular, are not sympathetic to the GOP’s climate skepticism.” And yet, it seems Manhattan and Miami could sink into the Atlantic Ocean and the GOP would still back a climate-science denier. Why? Party loyalty to fossil-fuel donor money is rock-solid.

    Irrational? Yes. Even as the conservative billionaire Koch Bros — who are betting $889 million on the 2016 presidential elections — have already written off their bet on the GOP winning. Salon.com captured their decision months ago in this headline: “Koch brothers’ humiliating secret: Why even their billions can’t save the GOP from self-destruction.” In fact, the five Koch-backed candidates poll less than Trump and Carson.

    The Kochs are so worried about the Republican Party’s self-destructive trajectory they purposely did not invite front-runner Donald Trump to their annual “Defending the American Dream” event, with the other 3,600 Republicans. And that was before insiders John Boehner and Kevin McCarthy also gave up on the GOP’s ability to govern.

    Even young Republicans fear their party’s self-destructing. A recent bipartisan poll “conducted for the League of Conservation Voters, found a solid 80-percent support among under-35 voters for Barack Obama’s climate-change plan — and majority support even among those who oppose the president.”

    The headline was blunt: “Young Voters Call Climate Deniers ‘Ignorant,’ ‘Out of Touch,’ ‘Crazy,’” adding that even a “majority of young Republicans say they’d be less likely to vote for opponents of President Obama’s climate-change plan.” So the party split isn’t just between the GOP establishment and outsiders, but also in the upcoming congressional races.

    No wonder a climate-science denier will never win the presidency.
    And still, GOP candidates remain rock-solid climate-science deniers: Sen. Ted Cruz compares “climate-change activists to flat-Earthers.” The Washington Post says Sen. Marco Rubio’s position is an “intellectually hollow” search for a “spineless position on climate change.” Ben Carson says it’s “irrelevant.”

    And front-runner Trump? He’s on record sounding like Senator Jim Inhofe: Not only is climate change a “hoax,” Trump’s blaming it on China, their strategy for making sure America is “not be competitive in manufacturing.”

    5 big reasons Hispanic Catholics will sink GOP’s chances, even with Rubio

    The coup de grace with the GOP’s 2016 presidential election chances comes from the World Religion News (WRN) piece: “The difference between white Catholic and Hispanic views on global warming is like night and day,” writes Nathan Glove, because Pope Francis’s politically controversial climate change encyclical has had a huge impact:

    Right from the start, Pope Francis’s “comments left many Catholics uneasy, particularly right-wing American Catholics, as it questioned the morals of many of their political values against the tenets of their faith,” challenging the GOP’s hard-wired loyalty to capitalism and consumerism.

    As a result, after Pope Francis’s sweeping trip through the USA, “the Public Religion Research Institute (PRRI) conducted a research survey with many American Catholics about their views of climate change ahead of the pope’s encyclical, in partnership with the American Academy of Religion (AAR),” then “published a story with the five key findings that the results of their research survey made clear.”

    Their research compared the responses of white Catholics to Hispanic Catholics, “resulting in some very interesting and telling statistics about not only the views of American Catholics on climate change, but also the differences between the Hispanic and white Catholic communities in America.” Here’s our edited summary of the PRRI-AAR’s five key findings, reinforcing the earlier Public Policy Polling, that a climate-science denier cannot win the presidency:

    1. Denialism vs. reality

    “White Catholics are twice as likely as Hispanic Catholics to say climate change is NOT happening.” (emphasis in original) Conversely, the Hispanic pope and his encyclical apparently reinforced a consensus among Hispanics that global warming is real, climate science is real, and the damage is real.

    2. Capitalism vs. morality

    “Hispanic Catholics are more likely to express concern over the severity of climate change.” White Catholics are likely placing more value on their capitalist ideology of individualism, materialism, consumerism and personal profit to solve the problem. Hispanics put more value on the common good.

    3. Protecting the commons

    “Hispanic Catholics are about three times more likely to believe they’ll be personally impacted by climate change.” White Catholics seem more committed to a free-market ideology that protects their individual right to taking public natural resources, but no real moral responsibility to protect the environment for the public good.

    4. Science vs ideology

    “Hispanic Catholics are far more likely to believe there is scientific consensus about climate change.” White Catholics tend to consider global warming science a hoax invented by environmental alarmists.

    5. Pope’s bully pulpit

    “Hispanic Catholics are much more likely to hear about climate change in church.” And Pope Francis’s encyclical still has a huge “bully pulpit” in America, with 17,483 Catholic parishes and 38,275 priests capable of carrying the message to America’s 78 million Catholics which Pew Research says are “more likely than other Americans to be Hispanic and immigrants,” a 55 million Hispanic majority among Catholics.

    Bottom line: No climate-science denier will win the Hispanic vote for president in 2016.
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    #99     Dec 30, 2015
  10. anybody read that book "Dark Winter" by Casey?
    I saw a documentary/paid programming on it on Newsmax last night
    It has me really scared about climate change
    especially when they asked him what we can do about climate change and he replied, "Protect your food source."
     
    #100     Dec 30, 2015