Predicting randomness

Discussion in 'Trading' started by oddiduro, Nov 3, 2005.

  1. great post. theory is most dangerous when applied to the real world when assumptions are commonly violated
     
    #291     Nov 12, 2005
  2. Thanks.....and welcome back.
     
    #292     Nov 12, 2005
  3. dont

    dont

    Only one type of insider trading is certain; "we are bankrupt". Think of the deficit number, if I knew beforehand it was going to be a record, I would have gone heavily short the dollar and seen my arse
     
    #293     Nov 12, 2005
  4. Insider trading has an element of non randomness, but this is largely an anamoly.

    Stock prices are not rational, as thier P/E is not 1:1. So if that insider keeps buying without without insider knowledge, he will most likely return those gains he made with inside information.
     
    #294     Nov 12, 2005
  5. Damn well said from a clear head. Bravo!
     
    #295     Nov 12, 2005
  6. Hi Baron and/or moderator

    nononsense is missing a genuine YAWNING smilie.
    :(
     
    #296     Nov 12, 2005
  7. "people, having different needs, different views, different utility and risk-profiles."

    And this is predictable?

    Is there any evidence that this is predictable?
     
    #297     Nov 12, 2005


  8. You don't predict.

    You take the path of least resistance.
     
    #298     Nov 12, 2005
  9. toe

    toe

    Sure, just becouse there's non-random behaviour doesn't mean everyone knows its there or how to trade it. If theres selling on a good announcement then either someone knew in advance, or many people expected it. If many people expect correctly then your inside information is not much good.

    I think you're confusing price rationality and trader rationality. If a trader acts irrationally then his bids/offers will be seized upon by more rational traders. Thats why irrational trading creates non-random markets (non-random to the rationally minded).

    If traders were completely rational then the markets would be completely random, the moment an announcement was made the price would imediately change to one that reflects the true value presicely (and the entire market would agree). Now we all know that doesn't happen, prices are affected by irrational traders every-day.

    The fact that no-one knows the true price of the markets means that the current price is only ever the best bet of the market. Much of the time no-one knows whether that 'best-bet' is true or not. But a good trader knows the odds, and knows that in certain circumstances the odds are high that the 'best-bet' of the market is wrong. In these circumstances many traders are being irrational (creating a non-random market), and a few traders can take advantage of it.
     
    #299     Nov 12, 2005
  10. ak15

    ak15

    Predicting randomess may be an exercise in futility. How do you explain a stock that reports earnings, is up 5% in after hours trading, is up 6% in pre-market hours trading the next day and closes the day down more than 4% If a simple occurrence such as this does not lend itself to any measure of reason then so much for predicting randomness.
     
    #300     Nov 12, 2005