Exactly! The Bible books, a collection of cultures-narrated stories, are for All to read, not only believers - as the believers usually think. The books include not only God's words (inspirations), but also Satan's words - such as the conversations/words for testing Jesus several times! Claiming that the books were written/inspired by God's Spirit should be interesting. Obviously, God allows Satan's evil works to exist, within His plan! LOL
Good points;O Trader OTrender; good thing you have good mind. The devil told Jesus Christ to ''jump off'' The Living Bible puts it that way; not so people would mindlessly jump!! It' s a warning about the devil + his pattern.. Some do not realize the devil can put evil thoughts into thier mind+ some think they are simply stupid/or have a death wish. Thank;O Trender
God's word, god's plan, god's "inspirations" Deuteronomy 13:6 6 If your very own brother, or your son or daughter, or the wife you love, or your closest friend secretly entices you, saying, “Let us go and worship other gods” (gods that neither you nor your ancestors have known, 7 gods of the peoples around you, whether near or far, from one end of the land to the other), 8 do not yield to them or listen to them. Show them no pity. Do not spare them or shield them. 9 You must certainly put them to death. Your hand must be the first in putting them to death, and then the hands of all the people. 10 Stone them to death, because they tried to turn you away from the Lord your God, who brought you out of Egypt, out of the land of slavery.
Show them no pity. Do not spare them. You must certainly put them to death. Your hand must be the first in putting them to death. Stone them to death Bad Bible joojoo OT.
I'd better leave it to some experts in Old Testament books. As I said before, those books are already outdated! Believers should have their own responsibilities to find an updated meaning for themselves, spiritually. Personally I even cannot accept how come Abraham as a normal human being can hear a voice to follow the plan of killing his own son! Would any other animals do anything similar? I don't know!
you are such a troll. you make a statement about time which you can't support... so instead of discussing your irrational statement you try to quote me out of context. the context and title of this thread is predestination. obviously, einstein, that discussion presumes a maker.
For goodness sake it supports itself. If you cannot even comprehend when nothing happens no time happens, then maybe whoever is having to do typing on your behalf will also waste their time explaining that f'kng obvious point to you. Painting yourself into a corner is not me quoting you out of context. I asked you to explain yourself twice and you've twice dodged now. Third time and a friggin cock is going to crow you know. Predestination according to theology does not presume God, it necessitates one. "Presupposing God existing outside of time because he is outside our universe."...is what presupposes. This... ...presupposes jack shit.
That text of the Old Testament Judeao-Christian Bible God is the call for believers to kill their own family and any other non believers by their own hand. Any so called biblical expert spinning those words Of God wildly enough to mean nothing like what they say, will by the deed itself render every other word in those scriptures meaningless. In my opinion you should simply condemn them for what they are. Hate speech.
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Comprehension_(logic) Perhaps simply an overstatement for a loyalty to their own faith. It happens basically and almost in every religion! Besides, believers should also understand that their God is For All, not just for some exclusively, as some believers would think!