powell tells it like it is

Discussion in 'Politics' started by MondoTrader, Feb 5, 2003.

  1. What points? Your entire post was composed of your Clouseau-ish detective work regarding your southern France residency.

    Here we go. Pity party for Tampa, the guy who epitomizes straight, objective, non-judgemental debate. And it's not that I have no concern for the Iraqis, just that I have more concern for my fellow Americans.

    What issues have you raised other than denying that a threat exists to this country and that you're willing to bet the lives of your fellow Americans on that assumption? As far as mocking, ridiculing, and insulting you, I'll give back what you send my way - with no shame at all.
     
    #91     Feb 10, 2003
  2. The civilized world is undoubtedly looking forward to the next spate of September 11ths within American cities... if only to give America a tiny taste of the pain that she causes around the world... God Bless America...
     
    #92     Feb 10, 2003
  3. Hey, if he's going to mock someone's educational level, he should be darn careful he doesn't leave himself open for the same ridicule.

    You're right, we all make typos. His were just more abundant and entertaining than most.

    p.s. Didn't you just mock Candle and his PROTUSION? :)
     
    #93     Feb 10, 2003
  4. Candle you're just pathetic. That you condone further attacks on our country, regardless of your political bias, is sickening. Do us all a favor and leave this great nation you obviously have such disgust and antagonism for.

    God Bless America indeed, save us from ungrateful "citizens" like yourself. You are not worthy to reside among us nor to be called "American."
     
    #94     Feb 10, 2003
  5. What pain are you referring to?

    What you need to do is, go live in a foreign country for a while and get a feel for the anti American attitudes first hand.

    You will then understand its the Pain of ENVY, that hurts them the most.

    Or better yet go become a HUMAN SHIELD.

    But you will have to wait till you graduate from High School.
     
    #95     Feb 10, 2003
  6. Iraqi Intimidation
    Source: Iraqi Scientists Threatened With Death if They Cooperated With U.N. Inspectors

    By Christopher Isham and Brian Ross

    Feb. 10 — In the last 10 days, United Nations inspectors have been given what are described as "important, new and credible leads" from a recent defector, who also told ABCNEWS that Iraqi scientists involved in the nuclear, chemical and biological weapons program were systematically intimidated.

    The defector, interviewed by ABCNEWS in an undisclosed European country, is an engineer described as close to several of the weapons scientists who, he said, live in fear.
    Many of the scientists are eager to cooperate with the United Nations, but the intimidation is so effective that the scientists are terrified of meeting in private with the inspectors. One scientist who met with the inspectors this week was so frightened, it took an hour for him to stop shaking, according to U.N. sources.

    "Iraqi scientists and researchers are under a lot of pressure and influence by the Iraqi authorities," the Iraqi defector told ABCNEWS. "They were scared and threatened in different ways, including threatening to go after their families if they leave Iraq to meet with inspectors and going after their relatives if their families go with them and going after them even if they were in exile.

    "For these reasons, the scientist or researcher becomes scared to tell the secrets, even though he knows it's a way to lift the difficult, miserable conditions the Iraqi people are living under."

    According to the Iraqi, many of the scientists involved in the weapons of mass destruction program are housed with their families at a secret compound in downtown Baghdad.

    In mid-October 2002, when it became clear that U.N. inspectors would be returning to Iraq, the security at the compound was upgraded substantially and the personnel elevated from low-level Iraqi police officers to members of the elite Special Security Organization, which is responsible for ensuring the loyalty of all security and military personnel, protecting the president and controlling the weapons of mass destruction launch platforms.

    Scientists Detained, ‘Loyalty’ Questioned

    At about the same time, a group of approximately seven to 10 scientists involved in the secret weapons of mass destruction programs were detained and taken to another secret location. These scientists were detained because their loyalties to the regime were in question.

    According to the Iraqi, the scientists were not permitted to communicate with their families. "They went to their work as usual, as any other day," he said. "They were detained there and taken to unknown places. Afterwards, their families were contacted and assured that they will return shortly and that they were in good condition."

    Most of the scientists were released between one to two months later. One of the scientists who was released in late November was killed in a mysterious automobile crash less than a week after he returned. The message to the other scientists was clear:

    "This was a clear message from the Iraqi authorities to all scientists and researchers to stay away from the inspection teams and not to tell any secrets or give any piece of information that could harm the Iraqi government," said the Iraqi defector, "because if they do, their fate would be the same as their colleague's."

    Saddam Hussein's security organizations have killed a number of opponents in arranged "accidents" Amatzia Bar'am, a professor in the Department of Middle Eastern History at the University of Haifa in Israel, told ABCNEWS. "I could provide you with 10 such cases during the last few years," he said. "If you assassinate someone like that, there is no reason for it except to warn everybody watch it, you don't want to divulge any secrets."

    Held Legally Responsible

    The Iraqi also revealed, for the first time, how the scientists were compelled to sign two documents. The first was a declaration that he would cooperate fully with the U.N. inspectors. The second declaration negates the first, obliging every Iraqi researcher and scientist not to cooperate with the U.N. teams and hide the information.

    "If he causes any harm to the Iraqi authorities, he is considered legally responsible," said the defector. "The first pledge is public and a copy is sent to the U.N., while the second is only for some Iraqi security agencies."

    The words "legally responsible" have a particular meaning in Saddam Hussein's Iraq. "The penalty: killing and torture and going after the family, even if in exile."

    American intelligence sources say this defector was one of those whose information was used in Colin Powell's speech to the U.N. Security Council last week. Powell said, "Some of these sources have put their lives on the line to talk to us."

    The description of the secret compound and secret pledges is consistent with what many experts say is Saddam Hussein's usual tactics.

    "He has a need for legal niceties, and this is exactly what he has done in the past: getting people to sign pledges not to harm the country," said Bar'am. "They know then they face death if they do."

    The Iraqi has been interviewed by U.S. intelligence officials who have found his story to be credible and have verified certain key details.

    The defector's information about the intimidation of the scientists is being pursued this week in Baghdad, according to U.N. sources.
     
    #96     Feb 10, 2003
  7. Your pathetic blood lust for oil is sickening... if you support such a policy and such a policy goes ahead, be prepared for the repercussions on US soil, happygirl... Georgey Boy will be just as responsible as the terrorists for the major repercussions that are likely to hit America... moreoever, Georgey Boy will have more blood on his hands in totality... maybe its time for Georgey Boy to change his ways, rather than for concerned American patriots to cave in to the war mongers, eh? :) :) :) :cool:

    God Bless America... yeeeeeeeeeeeehhhhhaaaaaaaaaa :D :D :D
     
    #97     Feb 10, 2003
  8. You're a fool, Candle in the Wind. I have no blood lust for oil. I'm not even a member of Dubya's oil cabal, which must surprise you. The only agenda I have is ensuring the security of my country and fellow citizens, which unfortunately includes you and those like you.

    "Major repercussions." It would behoove you to remove your head from your rectum. We have been targeted and 9/11 was just the first attack ya numbskull. Do you think Bin Laden and Co. intend to stop there regardless of what happens in Iraq? Did you think it was just a warning shot across our bows? You are blind, deaf, and very dumb.

    You're a "concerned American patriot"? Since when do patriots delight in the possible deaths of their countrymen? If you're a patriot, Khomeini was Jewish.

    If our nation's past, present, and future lay in the hands of idiots like you, we would be a third world nation - poor, powerless, and reliant on the sympathy of other countries for security and the daily necessities of life. But that would probably satisfy you to no end, as you could grovel in the company of those you feel so much more affinity toward than your neighbors and fellow citizens.

    You're a sad example of the excreta our society sometimes produces as a very result of the freedoms we all enjoy.
     
    #98     Feb 10, 2003
  9. tampa

    tampa


    I can't figure out if you are visually impaired, or mentally challenged - no where in the above post did I sympathies with France. I pointed out that we are doing what you condemn France for doing. And clearly I never mentioned Germany - as you charged me with doing. I mentioned that Powell rose in the ranks during Nam - I said nothing about any enlisted men - yet you falsely accused me of calling all military personal from that era liars.

    You are reckless with your assertions. Traffic in insults and lies when your back is to the wall,
     
    #99     Feb 10, 2003


  10. Gosh, and here I expected some witty repartee, some wonderful sarcasm, and instead you resort to base epithets. Yep, you've won the high ground on this one, tampa (slow clapping).

    And oh, I can tell you truly support our American forces - it's evident in everything you expouse, right up to your ridiculing of Agin1415 and his service to this country. And FYI, Mr. Lose Control, I never said you ridiculed all military men from that era. What I was trying to point out was that in the way your post was written it sure sounded like you had contempt for Powell being promoted during the Vietnam War, as if service during that war was dishonorable.

    I won't bother to respond with profanity, as clearly it is the manner in which you prefer to counter with when feeling pressured.

    Very interesting to know that you actually hate me. I certainly don't hate you, I merely pity you.

    'sniff' Can't we all j-j-j-j-j-j-j-j-uuu-ssss-tttttt get along?
     
    #100     Feb 10, 2003