Position sizing: Risking 1% equity per trade

Discussion in 'Strategy Development' started by a529612, May 14, 2006.

  1. Say the account equity is 100k and you place your stop loss when any position moves against you by 1k. Does position sizing like that sound right to you if my goal is to minimize drawdown?
  2. If your systems average max excursion typically takes you beyond 1%, then placing a stop anywhere near 1% would be death.

    There are many factors involved in position sizing. I use simulation to determine size.
  3. cnms2


    It's not that simple. It depends of your trading performance in the markets you're trading. Search ET and / or google for money management, drawdown, Kelly, etc..
  4. cnms2


  5. a529 for any market traded look at the Average True Range for the period being traded and position size in accordance to that. Chances are the position size will be way below your kelly criterion.

    Position Size in $ = (.01 * Equity) * BuyPrice / (3 * ATR(10));
  6. My group has used exactly this method for many years and it works fine in all markets.
  7. dac8555


    1% is fine. you can get fancy.... but for me it complicates the issue. But i subscribe to group psycology analysis in trading more than i do algorithims and such.

    Now let me specify...that is for intraday for me. Longer term, i have to open it up a bit. in a swing position, i may do 5%, in a holding position, i will do up to 8% of the most recent high.

    I got 8% from the CANSLIM methodology.

    good luck
  8. I think he is talking about risking 1% of his account per trade, not placing his stop 1% away.

    And, yea, 1% will work most of the time and is a teeny bit on the conservative side. But it really depends on the frequency of your trades and the type of system (mechanical or discretionary - still a "system") you trade. Some people use .5%, some 2%, and some have some fancy, self-adjusting method of sizing.

    I used to use sizing based on the security's volatility, but found the 1-2% rule usually worked out about the same for me and was quicker and easier.

    To each his own.
  9. cnms2


    I don't mean to be ironic, but so far this discussion is like a...... is saying: "I'm 5'11". Is it ok to buy on Ebay running shoes size 11?". Most replies advised him to buy the size 11 for various reasons.

    Maybe the size 11 is right for a......, but most likely it's not exactly his size. If his shoe size is smaller, he'll be able to walk, but not to run. If his shoe size is larger, he'll not even be able to walk too far.

    Best advice: measure your shoe size, then buy accordingly.

    In this case, good money management means to buy the right size in order to be able to concentrate only on running at your best.
  10. traderdragon is correct. The simplest procedure is
    1. Simulate system with risk=0.2%. Write down the max drawdown.
    2. Simulate system with risk=0.4%. Write down the max drawdown.
    3. Simulate system with risk=0.6%. Write down the max drawdown.
    4. Simulate system with risk=0.8%. Write down the max drawdown.
    5. Simulate system with risk=1.0%. Write down the max drawdown.
    6. Simulate system with risk=1.2%. Write down the max drawdown.
    7. Simulate system with risk=1.4%. Write down the max drawdown.
    8. Simulate system with risk=1.6%. Write down the max drawdown.
    9. Simulate system with risk=1.8%. Write down the max drawdown.
    10. Simulate system with risk=2.0%. Write down the max drawdown.
    11. Study your list of risk% versus drawdown. Choose the risk% that gives a drawdown you can live with.
    12. Done
    #10     May 14, 2006