Portfolio margin

Discussion in 'Retail Brokers' started by DayTrader101, Dec 20, 2007.

  1. zdreg

    zdreg

    not true. where do you get that idea that long marginable securities cannot be used as offset to short securities?
    if you are long 100,000 fully paid securities
    you can be short $100,000 overnite or short $300,000 intraday.

    lets try this:
    you put in $100,000 into the account.
    intraday you are allowtobe at 4:1`. or $400,000
    you buy $100,000 worth of stock.
    the stock is fully paid for. lets assume you do nothing that day. the next dayassuming the price is unchanged you still can add $300,000 in positions.
     
    #31     Dec 21, 2007
  2. zdreq,

    the info you are giving throughout this thread is incorrect.

    You are confusing the issue of interest calculations with the very different issue of margin requirements.

    IB does not allow the proceeds from a stock short sale to be used to reduce the interest you will be charged on a long stock position.
     
    #32     Dec 22, 2007
  3. gkishot

    gkishot

    True.

    zdreq,

    Let's say you have 200k in equities ( stocks, not cash ) and 0 cash balance. You sold short stock with 100k of proceeds. Now this short stock went up by 20% and it's worth now 120k to buy it back. IB will charge you interest on 20k even though there is 200k of stock equity in your account. You have to have cash set aside in your account to finance your short positions. Wouldn't be better for your to put it to work instead and buy some stocks? Yes, it would, but only if your broker agrees to use long stocks as collateral for your short sales.

    Otherwise you need to borrow cash loan from your broker and to pay the interest.
     
    #33     Dec 22, 2007
  4. zdreg

    zdreg

    i reviewed all my posts on this thread. they are correct.

    IB does pay interest on short sale proceeds exceeding $100000 for everyone including individuals and hedge funds


    there are two separate calculations. debt interest arising from long positions. credit interest arising from short positions.
     
    #34     Dec 22, 2007
  5. This time you got it right.
     
    #35     Dec 24, 2007
  6. zdreg

    zdreg

    jim-

    i know it is difficult for you to admit but every post by me on this thread was correct and you learned something this time around.
     
    #36     Dec 24, 2007
  7. If it were true, I would have no difficulty admitting it. But it isn't true, so there is nothing for me to admit.
     
    #37     Dec 25, 2007
  8. zdreg

    zdreg

     
    #38     Dec 27, 2007