Well... I can't really match up the image of a rogue soldier murdering a bunch of people with the 767 hitting Tower 2, you know. Something about that that I just can't match up... In the case of Abu Ghraib, considering the play the story got here, it's not like we had nothing to say about it. With regard to the Catholic priest problem, that's a better analogy, but have you heard about a Catholic group coming out in defense of the latest pedophile with the argument that he is 'disenfranchised' and the victim of 'clerical profiling'? Secondly, the Catholic priests have not sent video tapes in to CNN saying 'children of the flock beware, we are going to anally rape every one of you'. Actually, no. It was the moment that they flew those planes into those buildings, killing what, 2300 + people? It was that moment. And no, I don't expect them to beg forgiveness. I just expect them to refrain from saying that the problem is that Muslim youth are 'disenfranchised', and to distance themselves from their brothers and sisters who say that the Holocaust never happened and that their goal is to wipe every Jew off the face of the planet and then establish a worldwide Islamic state in which unbelievers are beheadable according to Islamic law, and where Sharia is the order of the day. To be honest, I think the problem is fear of reprisals. Most families here have relatives in the ME, and there is no doubt in my mind that if a Westernized family started speaking up in an organized manner, there would be hell to pay for the relatives back home. As RM has pointed out, honour is everything in Muslim culture, and when someone does something 'wrong', the entire family is shamed. By the way, I just read a transcript of a recent interview with Ahmedinejad. I can guarantee you that there aren't any pedophile Catholic priests or rogue soldiers or military jail commanders who are also leaders of nations.
If you took the time to Google the search as I explained to do so, you would find out who they are and what they said (or haven't said). See above, or do another Google search. I don't know. I'd imagine he's waiting, as we all are, for the trial to take place and for there to be an outcome. And what does that have to do with Muslim reaction to the Pope quoting centuries-old text? What are you saying in response to my response? Are you being smart or are you a bonehead? They are not only political leaders, but supposedly RELIGIOUS leaders, and the religion in this case is Islam. What boneheads are saying these things? I don't know who you're referring to, and I doubt you do either. See above + it is not an assault on Islam. Hey, you were the genius who posted the links, which obviously did nothing to validate your point, which is fast becoming lost. No thanks. Seems you're fixated on Haditha, and wish that the President had condemned the Marines prior to the matter being adjudicated in a court of law, i.e. Mad Murtha. No, I expect their religious leaders to not implore their followers to kill Catholics, murder the Pope, and burn churches. And secondly, if one of their leaders does so, for the other leaders to condemn it. How many Muslim leaders have condemned the actions of the cleric in Somalia who implored his followers to murder the Pope? Why don't you research that? Of course not. Well, it's also an OBVIOUS fact that "the areas where there is high unemployment, low development, and where the middle class has little access to the political process" describes most of the world, yet, for some reason, it is in the Muslim countries with the above conditions which breed the most violent extremists. Sorry if your erection has been deflated. You can always get more Viagra.
Quote from traderNik: Well... I can't really match up the image of an rogue soldier murdering a bunch of people with the 767 hitting Tower 2, you know. Something about that that I just can't match up... In the case of Abu Ghraib, considering the play the story got here, it's not like we had nothing to say about it. With regard to the Catholic priest problem, that's a better analogy, but have you heard about a Catholic group coming out in defense of the latest pedophile with the argument that he is 'disenfranchised' and the victim of 'clerical profiling'? Secondly, the Catholic priests have not sent video tapes in to CNN saying 'children of the flock beware, we are going to anally rape every one of you'. </b> Well, on one hand we're talking about 9/11, and on another a nun being murdered for the Pope's comments. In both, boneheads across the West demand all Muslims apologize. That's less than 24 people killed in Haditha, and less than Abu Ghraib. I'm sure you see the hypocrisy. I further think making it a numbers game raises some serious questions about your ethics. Haditha was a heinous crime. So was Abu Ghraib. And the only way the U.S. government, and even some CITIZENS, would ever admit it is wrong if our own press beats it into our heads. Yes, Catholic priests have not sent tapes to Al Jazeera. They won't kill anyone either, I bet. But they raped children. This is probably as much of a heinous crime as an Indian man throwing acid on his wife's face or homosexuals being beheaded in Iran. <b>And I don't expect them to beg forgiveness. I just expect them to refrain from saying that the problem is that Muslim youth are 'disenfranchised',</b> You mentioned these orthodox 13 year olds wore baggy pants and were all "yo, yo." Since they were building bombs out of a religious duty, why were they not wearing proper dress and saying Allahu Ackbar? I would think it'd be almost against their religion to mimic sinful Western culture. <b>and to distance themselves from their brothers and sisters who say that the Holocaust never happened and that their goal is to wipe every Jew off the face of the planet and then establish a worldwide Islamic state in which unbelievers are beheadable according to Islamic law, and where Sharia is the order of the day</b> This is where the real boneheadedness shines through, like the Holy Spirit descending from Heaven and whispering loving prophecies into Pat Robertson's ear. Yes, because a Muslim somewhere in the world wants to kill all Jews, every Muslim in Canada must personally write you a letter informing you that he is a patriot and is, on top of that, madly in love with you. It is his duty, as a Muslim, to prove to you that you are not a bonehead. This is not too much to demand, however for you to learn about the differences between Muslims, and the origin of various political and historical conflicts between Muslims and the U.S. (like with Iran), or between Muslims and Muslims... is just inconceivable. <b>By the way, I just read a transcript of a recent interview with Ahmedinejad. I can guarantee you that there aren't any pedophile Catholic priests or rogue soldiers or military jail commanders who are also leaders of nations. ............so? You guys are coming up with some ridiculous things to say here. Explain to me the significance of this statement. Actually I'm leaving now anyway. I had been wanting to get away from ET in general, actually, since it's such a waste of time to discuss both trading and politics. Eh..
Let's just clean this up with a few simple questions before this gets ridiculous. I may get back to it later, but not now. Here is your chance to tell the world in what ways all/most Muslims are very, very evil. 1. Can we say Islamic theology is sufficient in itself as a cause of Islamic extremism? 2. If we can, why do some places with large Islamic populations produce no statistically-significant violence? What percentage of Muslims are extremists? 3. If we can't, what other factors would be more informative? 4. When a heinous crime is caused by a Muslim, who do you, hapabone, want to apologize for it? 5. When a heinous crime is caused by someone acting under the authority of the U.S., who should apologize for it?
You're being assinine (again). Show me where I have stated that "all/most Muslims are very, very evil." If you would bother to exercise more of those vaunted research skills of yours, you would find that I have in fact defended Muslims and attacked the very kind of thinking you are accusing me of. As such, your questions, which are predicated on your incorrect assumption, become irrelevant. The real question that remains is: Why did you run out of Viagra? It has clearly made you cranky as hell and unable to think lucidly. And oh, you made it ridiculous a long time ago.
Just to make it clear, this exchange started when you posted a bad link. We taught you how to do a proper Google search that would return results that tend to support your points. No, no, don't thank us. Funny, dogboy... the more I read from you, the more I suspect that you're one of the idealogues you are so vigorously defending. And you apparently don't have a clear understanding of the definition of the word 'ethics'. But that's okay. Carry on. Here's the lead story from the BBC this morning, just fyi. A violent day in Iraq leaves 35 people dead from a Baghdad bombing while nine severed heads are found in Tikrit". Nine severed heads...
When you disagree with me that extremism is primarily rooted in socio-economics, you are implicitly saying Islam is the real cause. Bin Laden was rich. No violence exists in poor countries except where Islam is involved. When you say it doesn't matter that Islam is decentralized, all Muslims from Egypt to Dubai to Urumqi should denounce a nun being slain, you are implicitly saying all Muslims are the same.
The link was an example of how to do a 3 second search on Google. I found this in 5 seconds: http://www.muhajabah.com/otherscondemn.php I am not here to teach you how to not be a bonehead. Don't be lazy. Pick up a book, read that riverbend blog. Now, explain to me why you provided that article on people dying in Iraq. What is the implication?
The link was a mistake. You posted it as evidence that there are a lot of Muslims condemning violence. It turned out that the search returned results that did not support that contention. But it's okay. By the way, you seem to be pretty good at ignoring evidence that you've made an error. Please do a search here on ET for a member called ZZZzzzzzzz. He is the Queen of this technique. You can maybe sharpen your your own chops by reviewing his posts. We helped you to do better Google searches. You can thank us later, when you calm down. I won't bother posting a link to the definition of 'ethics'. You can try a search at dictionary.com. My last post to you in this thread. Maybe hap will give you a few more pointers.
LOL. All that discussion of whether or not Islam is to blame and it's down to you saying a Google search for 'islam condem violence' doesn't return links about Muslims condemning violence. Couldn't explain the implication behind beheadings in Tikrit (lemme guess, it's MUSLIMS did it!! Therefore MUSLIMS are terrorists!) I'll miss you. Really.