i wonder if you will have the courage. let me help you think about it. we have a catholic democrat in congress that says he will vote against health care because a few dollars of the government subsidy might go to abortion in an indirect way. yet we have people like you and him who will go to a catholic church and put money in the offering plate that subsidizes child rape in a direct way. any chance you can see the hypocrisy in that?
You have no idea how many catholics no longer put money in the plate because of the child rape situation. The number is large. I did not for a few years. I may not again. By the way.... abortion is the termination of life. How you could express concern for children but not similar concern about unborn children is almost as demented as the behavior manifested by the child rapists your rightly criticize. I wonder why you keep going on about this. I detest what is going on in the church at least as much as anyone possibly could -- except the victims and the families.
i dont like abortion but it is not a child and the mother has the right to decide up until the point of viability. see, i make my decisions through rational thinking. i dont have some imaginary invisible deity in the sky telling me what to think. why do i keep on about this subject? i am trying to save you and others from a life of mental bondage. you will thank people like me some day if you can muster the courage to escape your indoctrination.
"The concentration on Catholic priests and brothers comes from the shocking institutionalization of that abuse: the consistent efforts of Church officials, who knew full well about the abuse, to cover it up and, sometimes, simply transfer abusers to new places. Yes, other professions sometimes cover up child abuse, but not, I think, on such a massive scale. I am not aware of this kind of cover-up being endemic to American public schools, for example." http://whyevolutionistrue.wordpress...church-its-no-worse-than-other-child-abusers/ ---------------------------------------------------------------------- The church hide this because like the business, they will lose money if too many people hear this crimes. It is about money and to make the church survive. Not about god.
Thanks for explaining those points. This is like being an unwitting member of a massively wealthy, well established, organized worldwide pedophilia ring, and on finding out , deciding to withhold a few bucks in membership fee because as a Catholic you want to carry on practicing a bizarre liturgy. Excuse the extreme comparison, but isn't this similar to a position many Germans might have found themselves in? Being members of the National Socialist German Worker's Party , on discovering it was covering up systematic physical abuse and atrocities against humanity, decide not to pay some union dues because as Nazi 's they still want to goose step. You are going to be able to find a Catholic church or orthodoxy which is not affiliated to the Vatican? I think you'll need more than a God's help with that one! In my opinion this is where simply doing right for right's sake always trumps any Church, God or beliefs a person may have.
I realize you almost enjoy attempting to make all people who believe in God criminals.... but your logic is confused once again. The vatican and crooked bishops are not the point of going to Mass. Going to church, hearing 3 readings from the bible and going to communion is the reason there is a church. The reason there is a Mass is communion. An incidental question to attending Mass is whether to donate. If a paraishoner donates - how much of that goes to help people and now how much of that might still be used to hurt people.
Your level of comprehension is appalling. My point is perfectly clear. It doesn't matter why you go into that organization called the Catholic Church, after which it has committed such horrendous crimes. The thing is you are still going in. That you only go there because you like performing deviant voodoo ritual imaginings called mass, worsens the whole picture. Your governors are molesting children world wide, whilst you gather to 'eat flesh and drink blood'. You are not helping your argument or your position one bit.
why go? all you are doing in your superstitious ritual is drinking grape juice and eating a cracker. couldnt you do that at home? pop in a cd of bible verses get a gallon of grape juice and a box of crackers at walmart and have at it. why attend a place of business that is evil. do you really think there is something special at a catholic church building? i for one would never do business with any place that i knew was financing the child sex trade. the bible even instructs you to do it at home: Matthew 6:6 (King James Version) 6 But thou, when thou prayest, enter into thy closet, and when thou hast shut thy door, pray to thy Father which is in secret; and thy Father which seeth in secret shall reward thee openly. Matthew 6:6 (New International Version) 6But when you pray, go into your room, close the door and pray to your Father, who is unseen. Then your Father, who sees what is done in secret, will reward you.
I haven't read through the whole thread, but I assume this is about the Irish situation. They don't rationalize it. They just assert, assert, assert. They are the faithful, and their fairy tale beliefs are based on received knowledge. Rational thought doesn't come into it. It is incomprehensible that these scandals continue to get exposed. What is it about Catholicism that produces these homosexual pedophiles? You would think that the suppression of sexual expression, unnatural as it is, would cause these priests to go after young girls, not young boys. But wait a minute... God is omniscient and therefore free will does not exist. The actions of these priests are god-like in the sense that they are 'created' by God. The actions are a part of the life of a man who was created by God, and God knew before he was 'born' that he would ruin the lives of these children. That's the meaning of 'omniscient'. The rationalization? The ones who commit suicide as adults go to be with God in heaven quicker than the rest of us, and that's their reward. Get it?
Many of the priests who are heterosexual leave the priesthood in the first few years. They can't handle the vows. The problem is vow frequently weeds out the good people, leaving the truly good ones who really make the sacrifice and the sick ones.