Poll - You are Kim Jon Un

Discussion in 'Politics' started by lindq, May 14, 2018.

Do you sign the agreement, trusting the word of the U.S.?

  1. Yes

    5 vote(s)
    45.5%
  2. No

    6 vote(s)
    54.5%
  1. lindq

    lindq

    You are Kim Jong Un. You are being asked by Donald Trump to destroy your nuclear weapons and associated technologies, in exchange for promises of security and assistance in building your economy.
     

  2. Depends on whether in negotiations someone makes him an offer he can't refuse.

    Also, his flexibility continues to "evolve" as the sanctions set it. If we go into a six-month negotiation process there could be a lot more "evolving" along the way. So what I think Kim would do is sort of depends on the point in time- under Trump anyway. Under Obama, no real consequences so just continue to drift and play with your rockets.

    I voted no simply because I think we should treat this as an opportunity but not alter our plans to take him out at some point if necessary or get needlessly optimistic. If the negotiations shit the bed, then having gone the peace negotiation route and failed is a better basis for taking more action, rather than just immediately resorting to cowboy action.
     
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  3. jem

    jem

    he will of course try to play Trump as Iran played obama and kerry.

    get the US to give all its concession up front in exchange for promises down the road.

    Hopefully trump does better than those clowns did.
     


  4. Yep. Kim has things up his sleeve but doesnt know how they will play out in the Trump Era. On one hand he sees that Iran Deal and thinks "oh boy, that's for me, 150 billion and a chance to self-inspect, what's not to love, let's do it." On the other hand, he saw Trump cancel the deal in flash if there was any game playing, and he has no experience in not gameplaying.
     
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  5. Tony Stark

    Tony Stark

    http://www.politifact.com/texas/sta...uz-says-iran-deal-trusts-iranians-inspect-th/

    https://www.independent.co.uk/news/...sites-will-be-inspected-by-iran-10463917.html

    http://thehill.com/opinion/op-ed/251660-no-iran-is-not-allowed-to-inspect-itself
     
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  6. Okay, get a grip Captain Google.

    You are re-puking the standard rap.

    The pro-deal types argue that Iran is complying because it is letting international inspectors into the few specified sites in the agreement. So Iran can just move its development to a non-specified site and then certify that it is not developing above a certain level and you have to rely upon their self-inspections and self-disclosures. For example, Iran has flat out said that inspection of military sites if not allowed but they are certifying that no development is happening there. Yup, I am believing that OR NOT. And for some non-designated sites that come under suspicion you can get access by GIVING 24 DAYS NOTIFICATION. What could go wrong there?

    https://www.nytimes.com/2015/07/23/...rd-is-challenged-by-some-nuclear-experts.html

    Look Cowboy, it's water over the dam now. Trump killed it but gave Iran and the Europeans an opening to come back to the table with provisions that are not flat out stupid and one-sided. They should do that if they are acting in good faith but if they think they are dealing with Obama they should not bother.

    You and Usual Tard can get a room together and be right about everything if it helps you. But the deal is dead now.

    Winning.
     
  7. Tony Stark

    Tony Stark

    1.As stated the self inspection crap you post is just that,crap.

    2.The 24 day notice is true but you can not remove all traces of nuclear activity (isotoypes that can last 30 to 24000 years)in 24 days
     

  8. So they need that provision why then- so that they can have their hair and nails done before the inspectors come by?

    giggle.
     
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  9. Tony Stark

    Tony Stark

     
  10. Tony Stark

    Tony Stark

    They have a right to protect thier other military assets
     
    #10     May 14, 2018