POLL: Who is Jesus to You?

Discussion in 'Religion and Spirituality' started by rcanfiel, Dec 14, 2007.

POLL: Who is Jesus to You?

  1. He is a misquoted/misunderstood jewish rabbi

    35 vote(s)
    23.8%
  2. He could be the promised messiah, but I don't believe he was God

    3 vote(s)
    2.0%
  3. He is God/Creator and His sovereign grace is the singular means to my salvation

    45 vote(s)
    30.6%
  4. He was a leader with a cause, like Ralph Nader or Jesse Jackson

    4 vote(s)
    2.7%
  5. He was possibly deranged, like Charles Manson or Jim Jones

    7 vote(s)
    4.8%
  6. He was an influential teacher, similar to Gandhi

    16 vote(s)
    10.9%
  7. He is a prophet of God, similar to Ezekiel or Mohammad

    8 vote(s)
    5.4%
  8. Following his example & doing good works is the singular means to my salvation

    2 vote(s)
    1.4%
  9. He probably never existed

    12 vote(s)
    8.2%
  10. Something else

    15 vote(s)
    10.2%
  1. Bingo!

    Hypocrites like Rcanfiel think turning the other cheek means an ass cheek so they can shit on their neighbor

    They are singularly incapable of living up to a single commandment from their fictional book

    This makes them the most odious of hypocrites
     
    #141     Jan 2, 2008
  2. Go back long enough and morons like Rcanfiel believed the earth was flat and the sun revolved around the earth despite the evidence to the contrary

    Come forward in time a bit and the Rcanfiel's believed the earth was 6000 years old despite scientific evidence proving otherwise

    How long before for these losers are forced to give up the virgin birth/resurrection fantasies as they have their previous "beliefs" above?

    Time cures all morons.. some are just a little slower than others :p
     
    #142     Jan 3, 2008
  3. Look again...
    http://biblia.com/jesusbible/prophecies.htm#Here are just 50

    These are rather forced. This is overreaching. This type of exegesis dates back to the earliest sects that grew out of my legacy, and encouraged even by my apostles. They revered the old scriptures and were yet divided as to what I actually taught.

    Look at the 30 pieces of silver legend.
    Look at the Bethlehem legend.
    Look at the parting of garments legend.
    Look at them all, all 300, all 500, all 1000 of them!
    Read the books they come from. Look at the context. Look honestly.
    See for yourself how willing the legend-makers were to force my story to match bits and pieces of literature with no obvious intent other than to describe personal misfortune, hopes, dreams, and fantasies of a warrior-Lord to take vengeance upon personal enemies and enemies of the state.

    Brother, this is not what I am about.

    Psalm 22, Isaiah 53...on and on...none of these apply to me. These are personal blogs describing the circumstances and feelings of the writers and their contemporaries.

    There are two things going on here:

    1. An attempt to gain credibility by matching my circumstances with bits and pieces of old scripture....which was revered as authoritative.
    2. An attempt to lend credibility to old scripture by borrowing from my own authority.

    To accomplish this, the legend-makers were willing to embellish the circumstances surrounding me, or look for scriptures that resembled my circumstances. This was and is a ridiculous waste of effort, and actually compromises the credibility of the legend-makers and the legend purveyors.

    Only about 5% of the popular gospels have substance, accurate quotes, unbiased description of events. The rest is a feverish embellishment edited according to an agenda. It serves only to vindicate a mad reverence for a false god...the biblical idea of God.

    True scholars would do well to understand the pressures in those days to conform to the Jewish way of thinking. Assumptions are made that because I came from among the Jews that this constitutes an endorsement of their book and their God. But I was accused of blasphemy, and wouldn't give the scribes an inch. I reminded people that the prophets were all dead. What does a dead man know? If he was so close to the truth, why did he die?

    Had I come from China, perhaps they would have linked me with the I-Ching. Indians might have linked me to their totems.

    What's important is that I taught by parable and parody. If I seemed to die, it's because all men die...and all men are the prodigal Son of God. If I seemed to rise from the dead, it's because all will one day rise from the dead death of mental sleep...waking to who they are: The Son of God. What applies to me applies to all men, and visa versa. I am not special. I am the first to accomplish what all will accomplish. I opened the door of the collective mind by giving my mind to God. Through that door, all will follow. It's only a matter of time.

    Think about it a minute. Why do I need obscure arcane literature to give me credibility? How can loose connections with dead men prove anything anyway?

    I challenge anyone to look at the literature honestly, and see that there is no connection except in the minds of a few very scared and very confused Jewish disciples of a way of looking at the world that was way ahead of it's time. Just because they were near me does not mean they understood me, or were willing to follow me wholeheartedly.

    Jesus
     
    #143     Jan 3, 2008
  4. The virgin birth is a myth.
    The ressurection is not, relatively speaking.

    The world is a fantasy.
    So whatever takes place in it is technically a myth.

    The resurrection is no more or less a myth than death is a myth.
    They thought the Romans finished me. I showed them I could not be hurt.

    The world represents the crucifixion of the Son of God.
    The world will rise from it's sleep of death, and with it, the entire Sonship.
    The Son of God cannot be destroyed.
    Jesus
     
    #144     Jan 3, 2008
  5. Clearly, you do not subscribe to Shankara's interpretation of the Vedanta. He interpreted it as 'advaita'...a nondualistic reality.

    The misinterpretation of the Vedanta from non-dual to dualism is a familiar path. My own teachings were non-dual, only to be interpreted as dualism. So there is a parallel between what befell the Vedanta and what befell my teachings. And why is that? Simply because dualism is most popular among the people of the world. They would not be in the world unless they first valued dualism. The crowds are all about the body. And they will shred any document that threatens to take it away from them.

    There are many interpretations of the Vedanta. Few are true to the original meanings. Thus, Hinduism has evolved into something strange, as has Christianity.

    Wiki Shankara or advaita if you want a better reflection of the truth.

    Jesus
     
    #145     Jan 3, 2008
  6. yawn
     
    #146     Jan 3, 2008
  7. What would the sleeping know about resurrection?

    Jesus
     
    #147     Jan 3, 2008
  8. About as much as a keyboard troll
     
    #148     Jan 3, 2008
  9. Christ equates to Brahman in Vedic terms.

    Christ is a Greek psychological term that can be applied to anyone. Unless it is applied to everyone and everything, it has no meaning, because it's meaning is found in wholeness. Therefore, "let the mind that was in Christ Jesus be in you also".

    There is no "Messiah" in terms of most people's expectations. Messiah is a term implying special status, private interpretation, and earthly function.
    Rather, by representing Christ, I chose not to be special at all. I chose the equality of reality. I chose to know my Self.

    Christ is:
    Self
    Love
    Co-Creator
    All that is
    Everything that has meaning
    Reality
    Heaven
    The Son of God
    The Kingdom of God
    Creation
    Innocent
    Equal
    Free
    Eternal
    Savior of Christ masked
    Knowledge
    Spirit-mind
    God

    Christ masked is:
    Selfish
    Fearful
    Maker of all things
    All that is divided
    Nothing but idols, everything that is nothing
    Illusion, maya
    Hell
    The "prodigal son", the son of man
    The kingdom of darkness
    Miscreation, the 'world'
    Guilty
    Special
    Slave
    Temporal
    Damned
    Consciousness
    Mind-body
    gods

    "Jesus" is the symbol of one who takes off the mask. Unmasked, he is one with all, equal to his brothers, and equal to God. Masked, he is 'special'.

    "Nothing can separate us from the love of Christ" means that Christ masked is temporary, for it separates the mind of Christ from Itself.
    It means that Christ masked will pass away.

    It's impossible not to be "in Christ", but it is possible to be unaware of it.
    Either you are Christ, or you are willfully unaware of it.
    Regardless, you can never separate yourself from Christ, no matter what you believe, who you condemn, or how much you hate.
    Time is for Christ, who is the alpha and the omega.

    Christ and the Father are God.

    God is....

    ...and nothing else is.

    Jesus
     
    #149     Jan 3, 2008
  10. Drivel
     
    #150     Jan 3, 2008