What discussion Thunderdolt? All you do is keep pasting comments from websites and biblical passages, make illogical arguments and prove that you do not even understand the arguments put forth.....Ugh, now I'm wasting my time on this guy that we were supposed to have left behind a year and a half ago...........wow, still can't believe its been that long.
Actually, more often it is very religious people who push their views, not atheists nor agnostics. And open-minded could just as well include the open-mindedness to realize that you may be wrong. God might not exist, or God might exist but not have done any of the things in the bible or dictated that we live as the humans who wrote the bible said to.
Your conclusion may be spurious, as there are more religious people than not, so it very be well that the majority of people tend push their views on to others...whether their belief system is religious or atheistic. My guess is that if people adopted atheism in the same manner people adopt religion, the numbers would be the same. It has to do with human nature in my opinion and a lack of faith in the system of choice. I am open minded, in as much as I can say I don't know with the absolute mathematical certainty that a closed system like mathematics can provide. I am not an absolute being, I am human and therefore fallible, and seek to achieve absolute help which in my mind is the nature of God. I can seek truth through the limited mind, or I can choose to surrender my mind to God who is absolute and ask Him to give me absolute knowledge. It depends on whether or not someone is seeking absolute knowledge, or relative knowledge. All knowledge in this world is relative, as it comes from relative understanding and relative perceptions, not from absolute understanding or absolute perceptions. That is why I admit I practice faith in the belief system of my choosing. I also don't have mathematical certainty about many things in life, yet it doesn't keep me from moving forward toward my individual goals. The resident atheists are not honest enough to admit they do the exact same thing with their belief systems.
Come again? Sonnet #66 by Shakespeare Total of 535 characters, including only 26 letters and spaces. Odds of getting a specific 5 letter word randomly -- 1 in over 14,000,000 Odds of getting just this Sonnet randomly? 1 in (27 to the 535 power). That's equivalent to 10^765 power. Number of seconds since the big bang -- 4.7304 x 10^17 ... There aren't enough plank constants of time available since the big bang to even scratch the surface of that one -- and that is just one of his shorter sonnets. Sorry, but the monkey banging on a typewriter analogy for proof that anything can happen given enough time is horseshit in my opinion.
LMAOOO.... you are so completely incapable of arguing that you have to completely fabricate what im saying now?!??! A perfect strawman by definition. I in fact have NEVER said or asserted this: "axeman: NO. God does not exist because I said so. " You once again PROVE to us all that you are completely incapable of READING. You continue to assert that I claim god does not exist. Im seriously starting to think you have a severe mental handicap. Or your delusional since you continue to attack things which I never said, and seem to read things which are not even there. Seek help... I mean really. peace axeman
Actually, you did not realize your ATHEISM was fantasy,. you concluded that. There is a big difference between a conclusion of the mind, and reality independent of human thought. You don't have objective certainty or proof that your faith was not real. You simply made a choice. See how fricken stupid your lame argument is?? When you CANT prove unbelievable supernatural claims outside of your own mind then it IS fantasy. Nothing more than a figment of your imagination. There is a big difference between a conclusion of the mind, and reality independent of human thought. NOW THAT IS SOME FUNNY SHIT COMING FROM YOU! LMAOOO!! Isnt this EXACTLY what I have been asking of you??? **INDEPENDENT** verification of a reality OUTSIDE of just your head??!?! What a fricken hypocrite!! Can you say double standard??? As I have pointed out many times, you have NEVER provided a shred of evidence that your FANTASY of god/faith exists OUTSIDE of your mind. But you continue to SPEW forth these LAME arguments as if you know for certain that you are right. Give it up 777, you have consistently FAILED to provide any proof for your childhood fantasies. In fact.... I have already PROVED just how flawed your silly faith based system is in the passed. Let me remind you. I can find multiple people who have directly contradictory knowledge to YOURS via the use of faith. In fact...I FAITH right now that you are absolutely wrong. This proves just how inconsistent your voo doo belief system is and therefore proves how useless it is. You have NEVER addressed this issue, except to take the POMPOUS position that ONLY YOUR FAITH is true, and any faith which contradicts yours must be false. Of course, you NEVER provide a reason WHY this is the case and why we should believe such nonsense. If a madman tells me he hears voices from god that tell him to shoot people, using your logic, his direct perceptions must be accepted as true. He is NOT simply a mentally ill FU**, he is using FAITH, and the voices he hears MUST be true since he directly experienced them. Problem is, his internal voices are not testable, falsifiable or verifiable....and here is the KEY part....*** JUST LIKE YOURS!!! *** I have no way to tell the difference between this SICKO MENTAL patient and YOU! As far as im concerned, if you really think you have these magical powers which allow ONLY YOU to communicate with a mythical creator of the WHOLE universe, then I can only conclude you have serious mental issues In other words...Im wasting my time arguing with a mental patient No wonder its always so easy to swat down your silly arguments. You are mentally not able to defend yourself. Oh man... now I feel bad peace axeman
I just used 15 billion years as an over-estimate. Apparently they have the universe's age pegged at 13.7 billion years, give or take a couple 100 million years.
Anger management Often when one such as axeman loses a debate he resorts to name calling. When you can't successfully argue the point of the message you simply attack the messenger. LOL You failed to clearly debate the issue. No wonder YOU hide behind the redefining of words so that you don't have to clearly argue the opposing objections to your position. You claim to be a soft atheist but yet you have not offered an intelligent alternative to argument of origins. You have chosen to rather ignore that side of the discussion simply because you do not want to examine the alternative arguments. It is easy to just say that a counter argument is false or silly and to simply ignore it. Thats not having an open mind. We can only have a good discussion when BOTH parties have an opened mind. I am clearly open to examining contrary evidence to my belief system. Are you? So far you have not demonstrated that. You still have yet to reply to my response to YOUR ridiculous claims and re-interpretation of Scripture. ARogueTrader was right about your childish behavior.