So which category do YOU fall into? Can you fricken read?????????? Obviously you CANT. How many times do I have to state that I am a weak atheist? How many???????????????? If you say you do not know then how can you discard the other possibilities? Did I EVER say that I do NOT know what kind of atheist I am????? NO. Did I CLEARLY state what kind of atheist I am in this thread? YES. Where is the issue??? Seek help. Your brain has apparently stopped working. peace axeman
Guardian Angel - no intelligent atheist denies the *possibility* of the existence of God, any more than he denies the possibility of Little Green Men existing. All he denies is that this belief is remotely probable, given the current evidence available. We therefore must examine what underpins the rationality of beliefs. The atheist claims that rational human beings judge the truth or falsity of a belief by assessing i) the amount of credible evidence in favour of it ii) the absence of alternative explanations for the belief, which are more consistent with our current understanding of the universe. This is the basis of Hume's argument for assessing the likely truth or falsity of "miraculous"/outlandish claims about reality (of which religion is only one - the same test would be applied to Columbus' first discovery of America, or a claim to have seen the Yeti, or to have turned $1000 into $10 million in 18 months by daytrading) If, after assessing the credibility of the evidence in favour, versus the credibility of alternative explanations, he thinks that the latter are overwhelmingly more credible and probable than the former, (given our understanding of the way the world works) then he rejects the belief. I don't see how there is anything irrational about rejecting a belief with a very low probability. One must always keep an open mind to the *possibility* that the belief is in fact true against the apparent odds, but it is quite reasonable to go around living on the basis that, whilst possible, it is nontheless extremely unlikely to be true. Now, you and others have argued that this is irrational and unjustifiable, and in response I have asked on what grounds, then, do you refuse to believe in Little Green Men, or (for example) miraculously profitable trading systems? Presumably you reject those beliefs not because you think that that Hume's test of outlandish & miraculous claims is irrational, but because you believe the evidence in favour of their existence is of far lower credibility than alternative explanations which fit far better with our understanding of how the world works - for example, given our knowledge of human greed and the difficulty of trading, it is far more likely that an outlandish trading claim is intended to sell worthless trading systems, newsletters etc, then it is to be true. Therefore we *rationally* reject the belief, despite being completely unable to *prove* that it is untrue. We use probability and credibility, NOT 100% proof, to make a rational decision under conditions of uncertain knowledge. So, given that you presumably use exactly the same methodology to judge outlandish claims unsupported by credible evidence, and presumably do not consider yourself irrational, how can you consistently claim that to use exactly the same approach to judge the existence of religion is irrational, just because it cannot be *proven* that religion is untrue? You have basically set up a straw man, using incorrect assumptions about how atheists use reasoning, and then judged their set of beliefs under one set of standards, while judging your own beliefs under a far more lax set of standards. This is logically inconsistent - starting from a point of scepticism, clearly a rational person must apply the *same* standards to his assessment of all beliefs. So - do you accept that it is rational to assign a low probability to a belief, IF one judges the evidence for it to be far outweighed by the evidence against it? If so, then you accept that "atheism" (or "hard agnosticism" - whatever you want to label it) can be rational for a person who judges the evidence for religion to be tenuous. Now, if you accept that assumption (and if not, you must provide evidence *why* you do not), then we can move on to a discussion of the evidence available, and try to make a rational assessment of its credibility, applying the same standards we would to an assessment of any other type of evidence for any other type of belief. I have provided some examples of evidence against, you have provided some for. But let us now make posts clearly listing *only* our evidence for and against - then let everyone judge the arguments in favour and against the credibility of that evidence.
"Thou shalt not suffer a witch to live." (Exodus 22:18) So tell us GA and CONTRARIAN. With an estimated 300,000 wiccans living in the USA, how many have YOU killed this year? You sick FU**S! Now run off like good little xtians, and get to work slaughtering wiccans. Sick sick sick in the head you guys are. peace axeman
Notice his posts in rapid succession, repeating same mantra, yelling, frantic phraseology etc.. This is how axeman gets when he loses Keep up good work guys...
LMAO!!!!!!!! The stalker shows up again! Poor longshot... has it gotten smaller??? Dude.... your creaping me out. Stop STALKING ME already! You just keep proving to everyone what your little problem is! LMAOOOOOOOOO!!! http://www.elitetrader.com/vb/showthread.php?s=&postid=341724#post341724 peace axeman
see what i mean... ps You lost BIG TIME on diet thread dude. You are soooooooo EASY! I wsn't even breathing hard. LOLOL!
Wow.... your SICK level of stalking has grown to incredible levels. Bam bam bam.... one reply after another, no matter where I post. Should I take you off ignore longshot and see what idiotic things you are saying?? You truly seem ill. Chasing me around on this board. Do you like little boys too? Dont bother responding....I cant see it. Your constant stalking just lets me know how badly you were trounced in our debates. I didnt realize just how bruised your fragile ego was. apparently, I destroyed you more than you could handle, and now you are forced to follow me around like some sick little puppy writing idiotic nonsense for all to see. Man.... you've really gone off the deep end. Reduced to a pathetic ET stalker. Could it get any more embarrassing for you?? peace axeman
Its not even a question. It is a fact. Look at the way he argues. Look at the way he ends up copying and pasting and posting quotes. He didn't even deny it. This clown IS Thunderbolt. Same guy. So stop wasting your time on him, because he is just rehashing the same arguments he lost last year. This guy isn't bright, and he doesn't even trade either. Even Darkhorse has acknowledged multiple times that the guy is an idiot. Just ignore him and then he'll resort to posting bible passages and eventually he'll go away for another year and a half!.....wow, has it been that long. Time flies, eh?
Probably because it is frustrating to argue with people like GA who themselves cannot reason, which is why Axeman should actually stop doing it.
Agreed. Just too frustrating arguing with someone who doesnt even know how to argue or think properly. GA, CONTRARIAN, Longshot... all these guys. Just CLUELESS when it comes to debating. peace axeman