POLL: The repercussions of a US attack on Iraq

I NEVER insisted that Iraq was more of a threat! What I stated in my post in the "Poll" thread was that N. Korea has done this kind of thing before and diplomacy has worked in the past.

N. Korea is indeed a serious threat, but you can't say the circumstances are exactly the same. Don't put words in my mouth Cubano.

 

Turkey Balks at Aiding U.S. Military Campaign

With time running out, Ankara's stance threatens American plans for a northern front in a possible war against Iraq.

ANKARA, Turkey -- More than a month after hinting that it would facilitate a U.S. invasion of neighboring Iraq, Turkey's leadership is leaning defiantly toward an antiwar stance, jeopardizing the Bush administration's plan to open a northern front against President Saddam Hussein, diplomats and Turkish analysts say.
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Some lawmakers have called for a referendum on a possible war — a move certain to eliminate any chance of Turkish help for the United States. According to one poll last week, 87% of Turks oppose a U.S. invasion of Iraq and 63% don't want Turkey to open its bases for one.

more at http://www.latimes.com/news/nationw...0jan10,0,2402165.story?coll=la-home-headlines

regards

wild

 

lol - look what fell off the trash heap, daniel:
http://news.bbc.co.uk/1/hi/business/1984459.stm

 

Unocal says it will give aid to to Afghan warlords once they agree to form a council to supervise the project. Taliban take Kabul.
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Unocal expresses suport for Taliban takover, saying it makes pipeline project easier. Unocal later says it was misquoted.
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Bridas signs agreement with Taliban and Gen. Dostum to build pipeline.
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Taliban in Washington to seek recognition. Taliban meet with Unocal. Taliban travel to Argentina as guests of Bridas. Upon return, Taliban meet with Saudi Intelligence chief, Prince Turki al-Faysal, in Jeddah.
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Unocal sets up office in Kandahar; Bridas does likewise in Kabul
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Taliban announce criteria for awarding contract: The company that starts work first wins.
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Taliban in United States to visit Unocal and U.S. State Department officials.

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more at http://www.worldpress.org/specials/pp/pipeline_timeline.htm



Reuters: 18Feb2002 AFGHANISTAN: UNOCAL'S PEOPLE LEAD AFGHANISTAN.

American Unocal oil company has played a key role in the appointment of Khamid Karzai as a leader of interim Afghanistan government, reads today's issue of Spanish Mundo newspaper. The newspaper writes that Karzai earlier worked for the company, which since long plans to build oil and gas pipelines from the Caspian Sea to India and Pakistan via Afghanistan.

The Spanish newspaper also claims that in the 1980s Karzai cooperated with American authorities. Karzai established contacts with Americans via U.S. citizen of Afghanistani origin Zalmai Khalilzad, who is U.S. special envoy in Kabul now.

In the 1990s Khalilzad also worked in Unocal, emphasizes the Spanish newspaper. Unocal is involved in development of Azeri-Chirag-Guneshli field in the Azeri Caspian sector and is among the companies ready to take part in the Baku-Tbilisi-Ceyhan oil pipeline construction. The company's representatives have earlier repeatedly announced their plans to build a gas pipeline from Turkmenistan to Afghanistan and further to Pakistan. However, civil war in Afghanistan did not allow the company to carry its plans into life.

more at http://www.anomalous-images.com/news/news699.html

regards

wild

 

b]coincidence? it sure makes you think...[/b]

also look who testified before our congress and who is in charge of the new "democratic gov't" in Afghanistan, and who is building the new pipelines there..

..In 1998, Dick Cheney, now US vice-president but then chief executive of a major oil services company, remarked: "I cannot think of a time when we have had a region emerge as suddenly to become as strategically significant as the Caspian." But the oil and gas there is worthless until it is moved. The only route which makes both political and economic sense is through Afghanistan....

...Unocal invited some of the leaders of the Taliban to Houston, where they were royally entertained. The company suggested paying these barbarians 15 cents for every thousand cubic feet of gas it pumped through the land they had conquered....

http://www.counterpunch.org/monbiot2.html


US supported Bin Laden and the Talibans for years,
and viewed them
as freedom fighters against the Russians

.As late as 1998 the US was paying the salary of
every single Taliban's
official in Afghanistan

.There is more oil and gas in the Caspian Sea area
than in Saudi Arabia,
but you need a pipeline through Afghanistan to get the
oil out.

UNOCAL, a giant American Oil conglomerate, wanted to
build a 1,000 mile
long pipeline from the Caspian Sea through Afghanistan
to the Arabian Sea

UNOCAL spent $10,000,000 on geological surveys
for pipeline
construction, and very nicely courted the Talibans for
their support in
allowing the construction to begin

.All of the leading Taliban officials were in Texas
negotiating with
UNOCAL
in 1998.

1998-1999 the Talibans changed its mind and threw
UNOCAL out of the
country and awarded the pipeline project to a company
from Argentina

.John Maresca, VP of UNOCAL testified before Congress
and said no pipeline
until the Talibans was gone and a more friendly
government was established

1999-2000 The Talibans became the most evil people
in the world.

Niaz Naik, a former Pakistani Foreign Secretary, was
told by senior American officials in mid-July (2000) that military
action against Afghanistan would go ahead by the middle of October (2000).

9/11 WTC disaster

Bush goes to war against Afghanistan even though
none of the hijackers
came from Afghanistan

Bush blamed Bin Laden but has never offered any
proof saying it's a
"secret".

Talibans offered to negotiate to turn over Bin Laden
if we showed them
some proof. We refused; we bombed

Bush said: "This is not about nation building. It's
about getting the
terrorists."

We have a new government in Afghanistan. The leader of that government formerly worked for
UNOCAL (Hamid Karrzai).

Bush appoints a special envoy to represent the US to
deal with that new
government, who formerly was the "chief consultant to
UNOCAL" (LakhdarIbrahimi).

The Bush family acquired their wealth through oil. George Bush Sr. (Father) works with the
"Carlysle Group" specializing
in huge oil investments around the world.

Condoleezza Rice worked for Chevron before gong to
Washington. Chevron named one of its newest "supertankers" after Condoleezza

Dick Cheney worked for the giant oil conglomerate
Haliburton before becoming VP of USA

Haliburton gave Cheney $34,000,000 as a farewell
gift when he left Haliburton. Haliburton is in the pipeline construction business.. guess who's building/servicing the new pipelines... The ones to the gulf so we can have access...

There is $6 Trillion dollars worth of oil in the
Caspian Sea area.

President Musharref (Pakistan), and Karrzai,
(Afghanistan - Unocal) announce agreement to build
proposed gas pipeline from Central Asia to
Pakistan via Afghanistan

It's the Oil, Stupid!"
(And all the while we were told it was about terrorism
and freedom)

Mr. Joseph Clifford contributed above article to Media
Monitors Network (MMN) from James Town, Rhode Island,


it seems oil/politics is usually part of the equation..

al-queda camps (at least most of them were destroyed) Osama biladin still at large?

Josh

 

So 9/11 had nothing to do with Afghanistan? I see.

 

there is absolutely nothing wrong with the US looking out for it's interests about the world. this isn't kindergarten guys, this is real and it can get mean and ugly. only fools ignore what their neighbors are up to, bury their heads in the sand while believing it is none of their business. this applies even more to countries. the US has about 300 million good reasons to keep a watchful eye and a lid on things on this planet earth, and i for one am damn glad they do. the US is the leader of the free world (hell the entire world for that matter), and we (US) have a moral obligation to bring to the worlds people capitalism, human rights, freedom of atheism, and SUVs. so get off your high horses you losers, we are not playing school yard games here, there are real threats out there to our very existence, deadly social and philosophical structures that build and grow over decades that we must address in some fashion. the US has a history of dealing with these threats not with direct military aggression but with diplomacy, working behind the scenes to effect desired changes. this is due to our moral and ethical code of conduct and a fundamental respect the US has for human rights, and, need i remind you, it is in stark contrast to other geopolitical entites and their methods. and need i remind you we could just blow every bastard to hell and back! only as a last resort does the US resort to military aggression when all else fails and ONLY when real threat is imminent. so in closing $%%&^# &*%^*(% *^#$%% *&^%@$%*( &&%$!!!!!

 

Iraq: The Case Against Preemptive War

The administration’s claim of a right to overthrow regimes it considers hostile is extraordinary – and one the world will soon find intolerable.

http://www.amconmag.com/10_21/iraq.html

regards

wild

 

INFILTRATE. DESTROY. REBUILD.



Now there's a plan. HAHAHA!

 

get up with the times maxi! everyone knows 9/11 was a CIA engineered plot to enable access to afghan territory for the purpose of getting that pipeline built!