POLL: How do you think the Supreme Court will rule on Obamacare?

Discussion in 'Politics' started by HotTip, Mar 29, 2012.

How will Supreme Court rule on Obamacare?

Poll closed Mar 31, 2012.
  1. Upholds law

    3 vote(s)
    13.6%
  2. Strikes down individual mandate only

    8 vote(s)
    36.4%
  3. Strikes down entire law

    11 vote(s)
    50.0%
  1. Epic

    Epic

    I agree, but that should not be a consideration of the court.
     
    #11     Mar 29, 2012
  2. Epic

    Epic

    The thing to keep in mind for all those who hate the bill. You might think it is bad with the individual mandate, but it is much worse without it. Striking down the mandate but upholding the rest would be keeping the expensive stuff and eliminating any method to recoup the expense.

    Consider a young guy with high debt. He really wants a new car but doesn't qualify for a loan because of his income is too low. So he hatches a plan to steal $1K a month from his senile grandmother. He then works out the purchase on the car. A short time later his crime is discovered and they tell him..

    "The car purchase agreement was legal, so you have to keep the car. But stealing the money was illegal, so you'll need to give that back and you can't steal any more."

    This is the situation the Dems are in. Many of them never would've voted for the bill without the mandate, and they specifically made statements to that effect. Just like the car is not severable from the theft, the mandate is not severable from the rest of the bill.
     
    #12     Mar 29, 2012
  3. Right, which is why yesterday they were basically saying that it isn't realistic to think they are going to go through the 2700 pages and rule on each item. If they rule against the mandate, they will most likely throw out the whole bill.

    Then we can go back to being America and stop transitioning into a euro-garbage socialist wannabe nation.
     
    #13     Mar 29, 2012
  4. HotTip

    HotTip

    Anyone know when the ruling should be issued?
     
    #14     Mar 29, 2012
  5. Mercor

    Mercor

    7-2 against
     
    #15     Mar 29, 2012
  6. June
     
    #16     Mar 29, 2012
  7. Eight

    Eight

    June
     
    #17     Mar 29, 2012
  8. Eight

    Eight

    Yeah yeah, now some grownups are looking at the Democrats work and laughing at them. Democrats are going to get an F on that mess that they "had to pass to know what is in it".
     
    #18     Mar 29, 2012
  9. pspr

    pspr

    And now liberals everywhere are saying the mandate was the Republican's idea. And Obama is saying it was a bipartisan bill.

    Democrats are so full of shit I'm surprised they aren't all brown.
     
    #19     Mar 29, 2012
  10. This says different:

    from S.1770 103rd Congress

    Subtitle F—Universal Coverage
    2 SEC. 1501. REQUIREMENT OF COVERAGE.
    3 (a) IN GENERAL.—Effective January 1, 2005, each
    4 individual who is a citizen or lawful permanent resident
    5 of the United States shall be covered under—
    6 (1) a qualified health plan, or
    7 (2) an equivalent health care program (as de-
    8 fined in section 1601(7)).
    9 (b) EXCEPTION.—Subsection (a) shall not apply in
    10 the case of an individual who is opposed for religious rea-
    11 sons to health plan coverage, including an individual who
    12 declines health plan coverage due to a reliance on healing
    13 using spiritual means through prayer alone.


    ‘‘SEC. 5000B. FAILURE OF EMPLOYERS OR LARGE EM-
    19 PLOYER PLANS WITH RESPECT TO HEALTH
    20 INSURANCE.
    21 ‘‘(a) GENERAL RULE.—There is hereby imposed a
    22 tax on the failure of any person or plan to comply with
    23 the requirements of section 1004 or section 1201 of the
    24 Health Equity and Access Reform Today Act of 1993 with218
    •S 1770 PCS1S
    1 respect to any employee of the person or enrollee of the
    2 plan.
    3 ‘‘(b) AMOUNT OF TAX.—
    4 ‘‘(1) IN GENERAL.—The amount of the tax im-
    5 posed by subsection (a) on any failure with respect
    6 to an employee or enrollee shall be $100 for each
    7 day in the noncompliance period with respect to such
    8 failure.





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    #20     Mar 29, 2012