POLL - Futures: How do you determine the trend?

Discussion in 'Technical Analysis' started by billpritjr, Nov 14, 2005.

POLL - Futures: How do you determine the trend?

  1. Single MA

    39 vote(s)
    22.9%
  2. Dual MA crossover

    50 vote(s)
    29.4%
  3. Trendline

    61 vote(s)
    35.9%
  4. N-day breakout

    20 vote(s)
    11.8%
  1. Nope, if you want to PUT FORTH SOME EFFORT here at ET all of the information is here at no charge and you don't have to take a Seminar. For those that want to fast track the learning process they can go the other route.

    No one forces you or anyone to do something they don't want to do. If you want to learn what I teach . . . dig through the archives here and figure it out. Others have and are doing quite well, some still are fine tuning the process and some still have questions but they are putting forth the effort. If you aren't interested in learning and have a solid controllable system of your own, that is wonderful and you should be pleased you have something that works and discontinue throwing barbs into someone else's questioning process.

    I repeat, I don't care if you believe that what I teach is crap but don't impede the learning process if anyone here wants to ask me questions that I am willing to answer. At least I am not one of those close minded individuals traveling from thread to thread being a disruptive influence because I have nothing else to offer.
     
    #131     Nov 18, 2005

  2. The Ergodic is a great strength indicator which I use specifically to verify the Market has created tops or bottoms. The Ergodic is not proprietary but my setting are. They are here in ET though. The Ergodic is not range bound like the Stochastic or MACD are. So not having that fixed scale allows it to "breath" and self adjust to any Market. All indicators lag so the lagging qualities are not only good but consistent and really smooth. The Erdogic is the tool I use to verify the price oscillations giving me the ability to accurately read them. The color is just to help visually clarify up and down movement. The strength comes from the extreme levels of created Support & Resistance and the Trend. One needs to trade price for consistency. One problem traders have is trading indicators. They are truly beasts or inconsistency.

    The only charting software companies I that offer accurate Volume or Contract Bars are; MultiCharts, Ensign and Esignal. There is another but I am at a loss right now. There are other companies that offer them but they fudge in the creation of the bars making them no more consistent than Tick Charts.
     
    #132     Nov 18, 2005
  3. :confused: :confused: :confused:

    I do have eSignal.
    They offer some really bizarre charting methods called PB, Kagi and Renko, which are nothing else than a point and figure in a different look, as far as I can tell.

    I can't find anything that looks like equivolume (i.e. charting price against volume).
     
    #133     Nov 18, 2005
  4. VictorS

    VictorS

    Back to Bill's (the originator of this thread) question. how do you guys determine trend?
     
    #134     Nov 18, 2005
  5. mhashe

    mhashe


    Hey prof. thanks for posting your charts. I enjoyed reading many of your old posts too. After playing with numerous methodologies it seems apparent that regardless of what one uses, most all good systems will give signals at the same turning points in the market. Yours seems to be an optimized price detrended oscillator, I've played with these but never occured to me to use divergence. Used them more as overbought/oversold indicators.
     
    #135     Nov 18, 2005
  6. Take ES #F for example and at Interval you put in 1000V for example. This should give you a 1000 Contract Bar Chart of the ES.

    Happy Trading,

    fritz_haber
     
    #136     Nov 18, 2005
  7. cosmic

    cosmic

    morning charlie :)

    tradestation has the bars, too - but they are not accurate enough, because big lot trades are added completely to the currentbar instead of splitting them up. But it depends on how fast your chart is....

    i also heard that the newest neuroshell release will feature them & they are working on adding exactly the contract bars that are correct split up.

    over all, yes the argument hits home - i mean hey, we still trade contracts :p

    & i also never heard of any market communicating, *gosh* its 10:02 ??? ----- i better move, because its time to do so :cool:

    happy trading,
    cosmic
     
    #137     Nov 18, 2005
  8. cosmic

    cosmic

    sometimes a picture is worth more than a thousand words....
    you see a long term volume chart of the ES cont contract.

    for clarification i plotted a tool on this chart, that marks the significant swing high / low pivots & thus making it real easy to see the overall structure.

    one can clearly see how the market moves from "low to high tide" & back to establish a trend.

    of course there is more to trading that trend profitably....

    happy trading,
    cosmic
     
    #138     Nov 18, 2005
  9. cosmic

    cosmic

    sorry somehow it did not get through, i'll try it again
     
    #139     Nov 18, 2005
  10. True. Given the extreme contraction in volatility and range, I've had to give up time and even ticks, at least for the time being (even '94 wasn't this bad).

    And anyone trading by candlesticks gets a whole new view of things when trading volume bars, e.g., "engulfing" candles.
     
    #140     Nov 18, 2005