POLL for traders who trade the Jack Hershey method(s) in real time with real money

Discussion in 'Technical Analysis' started by Thunderdog, Mar 12, 2007.

If you actually trade with real money using Jack's method in real time, please vote:

  1. I have traded Jack's method(s) for over 6 months with real money in real time, and I [b]made[/b] mon

    64 vote(s)
    32.0%
  2. I have traded Jack's method(s) for over 6 months with real money in real time, and I [b]lost[/b] mon

    136 vote(s)
    68.0%
  1. Unfortunately for you, a backtest with only 111 trades of a system with as many ADDITIONAL conditions as you've added (see link below that YOU gave me) is WORTHLESS.

    http://www.elitetrader.com/vb/showthread.php?s=&postid=593276&#post593276

     
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    #321     Mar 19, 2007
  2. nkhoi

    nkhoi

    arg..that hurt, you are reading the wrong material.
     
    #322     Mar 20, 2007
  3. LOL, tell it to the turtles.

    Richard Dennis got his degree in Philosophy and created millions with his trading methodology.

    Yeah, I suppose the great everything is born, not made ... nope, not to bright at all.

    JJ
     
    #323     Mar 20, 2007
  4. Can you even compare apples with apples?

    The issue was one an academic not being a trader, not of other traders becoming turtle traders ... speaking of which, I'm not trying to be one.
    ***
    This thread is stuck on stupid, I have better things to do than banter with clowns.

    Ciao,

    Jimmy Jam
     
    #324     Mar 20, 2007
  5. Mon ami, worthless is using a worthless portfolio that is in contrast to portfolio conditions recommended by the original author of your backtest code and of the document you keep linking to. The sample of 111 trades also matches a 2 year forward test extending back to 2005. This means, individuals are sitting on top of comparable returns for the last 2 years that is identical to the positive EQ curve backtest... One would think, that if a 2 year forward test matched the positive backtest result, that there is merit to the material. WE KNOW you like to play with virtual dollars. But folks are sitting on REAL dollars that support the backtested positive virtual dollars as long as one chooses to use the same portfolio conditions recommended by the author of the backtest code you adopted and as well of the original document...
     
    #325     Mar 20, 2007
  6. Tums

    Tums

    You seem like a very decisive person.
    That's a very decisive conclusion and decision by someone who has just started reading.


    (that's a pretty smart new handle)
     
    #326     Mar 20, 2007
  7. Normally one does a forward test after the backtest... and the max DD of yours was in Jan 07. Anyway, how does that saying about bull markets go? Something like, in a bull market, even Jack Hershey might appear to know how to trade. But I still wouldn't believe it without proof. Which you guys have never been big on. Long on claims, short on proof. Just another day on ET!
     
    #327     Mar 20, 2007
  8. LOL... The forward test went both ways mon ami (ie. no bias). That means you go long on the 0->7 and short on the 3->4... Having conditions like high octane stocks do well regardless of the market type... Call it a "conditional edge" if you will that works in all market conditions.
     
    #328     Mar 20, 2007
  9. Well, this has been an interesting exercise if not exactly the best collective use of our time. I wanted to know how many people used the Hershey method(s) profitably for at least a reasonable, if short, period of time and the results appear to be in. While votes continue to come in, they do so in dribs and drabs and the proportions remain essentially unchanged. The survey question is certainly a valid one, however, arguments could readily be made contesting the accuracy and reliability of the responses for any number of legitimate reasons. And, as people are apt to do, both "sides" can claim victory for reasons of their own design, as per the old saw that numbers can be tortured until they say anything you want them to say. And that is quite apart from the question of the accuracy and reliability of the results -- a very pointed question.

    And so, it would appear that we are no further ahead than when we started. But, hey, why should this thread be any different?:D

    Interestingly, the ratio of "profitable" and "not profitable" responses has been remarkably consistent almost from the get-go. I have no explanation for this other than an unsubstantiated suspicion or two. No doubt, Fibonacci scholars will chime in with some meaningful interpretation of ageless universal laws of nature that most assuredly apply to our little exercise.
     
    #329     Mar 20, 2007
  10. A grand achievement, if one ignores all the flaming! Thanks for starting it, I think.
     
    #330     Mar 20, 2007