Polar Temps... warming... all guesswork

Discussion in 'Politics' started by jem, May 15, 2015.

  1. Whatever happens this summer is just weather. If the world sets new record highs the global warming alarmists are still going to be ignored.

    They can argue about how the temperature needs to be "corrected", but they can't walk away from all the stupid stuff they've put out over the years.

    The fact is that it's 2015. CO2 is at all time (modern) highs. The world's port cities are still habitable. Children in England still own sleds. The latest analysis shows that cold weather is far more dangerous for humans than warm. Estimates of climate sensitivity in the peer reviewed literature keep dropping.

    So there's no immediate reason to worry about the temperature. Futurecurrent might argue that like the frog in the pot, we're being slowly boiled but the fact is that (despite all the hand wringing from the alarmists about crops) the world's farmers keep setting new records for food production. Humans are doing just fine.

    As a matter of local politics, the anti-CO2 folks have lost almost completely. Rather than argue about the details of each individual country, let me simply point out the CO2 emissions have set new all-time records every year. The best thing a recent alarmist article could say about this fact was that the rate of increase was slowing down recently and in 2013 was "only" an increase of 2% over 2012.

    As a matter of great power diplomacy, a reduction in CO2 emissions would require cooperation among the great powers. At the very least, that would have to include, the US, Europe, Russia, China and India. But these countries are each arguing that the others should be the ones cutting emissions. For them to negotiate a real reduction in CO2 emissions would require a huge amount of good relations that simply do not exist. The Russians talk publicly about nuking Europe and the US over the Ukraine sanctions. The US just accused China of stealing personal information for spying purposes and regularly accuses Russia of harboring credit card fraudsters.

    India and China tell the developed world that since they were not the countries that created most of the present CO2 levels they should not be the ones that have to cut back on emissions. The world has something like 1200 coal burning power plants in planning with 3/4 in India and China. And the best argument that the CO2 alarmists can come up with is that they shouldn't be built because the Indians and Chinese do not deserve to have western industrial wealth, LOL. Yeah, that's gonna work.

    Meanwhile, the technology of getting fossil fuels continues to improve. Fracking has been applied to only a small portion of the US but it's already turned the US into the world's largest oil producer. Oil production is so high that GS suggests that prices will drop to $30 per barrel. The "peak oil" they talked about in the 1970s keeps getting postponed into the future. When the oil finally does run out, it's pretty easy to predict that the humans will start converting coal into the markets currently supplied with oil. And that's enough fossil fuels for hundreds of years. It's hard to imagine that CO2 levels will quit rising anything short of twice the present levels.
     
    #141     Jun 9, 2015
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  2. I've already shown that the peer reviewed literature admits the existence of the "pause". You're in denial about the science you say supports your cause.

    In addition to not understanding science, you're quite naive about how to win a debate, LOL.
     
    #142     Jun 9, 2015
  3. LOL! Slate reports:
    World's Richest Countries Decide to Take It Slow on Climate Change
    Eric Holthaus, June 8, 2015
    In a joint declaration from the G7 summit, leaders of the world’s richest countries called for a global phase-out of fossil fuels for the first time on Monday. That sounds great, but unfortunately, they’re talking about a lax timescale—“over the course of this century.”
    ...
    A new report from Oxfam shows that five of the seven countries—including Germany—have increased their use of coal over the last five years. Those that didn’t—the U.S. and Canada—are in the midst of an oil and gas renaissance and largely offset their decreased coal use with other fossil fuels. Germany’s bold Energiewende plan to transform its energy sector away from nuclear energy has at least partially resulted in temporarily increased emissions from its coal sector to fill the gap as more solar and wind power comes online.
    ...
    http://www.slate.com/blogs/the_slat...ld_should_phase_out_fossil_fuels_by_2100.html
     
    #143     Jun 9, 2015

  4. Oh my fucking god, how many times to I have to tell you denier idiots that this chart is a lie. The temp data set is AN EXTREMELY selective, mid troposphere mid latitude satellite and balloon data set. IN OTHER WORDS NOT WORLD TEMPS!!!!!!! Where is the data from actual ground based weather station thermometers?




    PLUS THE MODELS PRESENTED DO NOT HAVE THEIR PROBABILITY BANDS INCLUDED. IN OTHER WORDS THIS IS TYPICAL DENIER LIES. IT IS FRAUD. IT IS INACCURATE. IT IS A FUCKING LIE AND ANYONE WHO PRESENTS IT -LIKE YOU - IS A DELUDED ASSHOLE WHO IS TOO IGNORANT TO KNOW ANY BETTER.
     
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    #144     Jun 9, 2015
  5. fhl

    fhl



    Better I should use data that has been adjusted to show 1930s temps colder than the raw data and 1980s temps warmer than the raw data? Is that what you refer to as world temps? LOL

    Interesting that you think people who show actual, untampered raw data are frauds. Yes, very interesting indeed.
     
    #145     Jun 9, 2015

  6. I know more about the science than you have even dreamed about knowing. Do you have a degree in environmental science? No? Well I do. There is no pause. Some folks may have erroneously referred to it as that but the new data shows that there was no pause at all in the atmospheric temp rise. And as far as the heat gain of the earth - which is the important thing - there was NEVER any pause. At all. In fact the heat gain is accelerating.

    Why do you continue to bring up something that is of no consequence and has been shown to be wrong? It's like it's all you deniers have to hang your hat on. Guess what? Your hat rack is a figment of your imagination.

    So in short. There is no pause at all in the heat gain of earth, there is not a single climatologist that denies man made global warming, and the models have done a good job of predicting the temp trends which are well within modeled ranges.
     
    #146     Jun 9, 2015

  7. You did not understand anything I said did you? You have no interest in the facts do you?

    The raw data is not as accurate as the adjusted data. Even Judith Curry admits that. You are just too stupid to understand why it was it done.
     
    #147     Jun 9, 2015
  8. fhl

    fhl


    You can't seem to make up your mind whether Judith Curry is an excellent source or an idiot denier. When engaging in fraud, it's very important to keep your story straight. But it's hard when you're perpetrating a hoax, isn't it?
     
    #148     Jun 9, 2015

  9. Yes the entire world's science community is perpetrating a hoax.

    http://climate.nasa.gov/scientific-consensus/

    You must be the biggest, most ignorant asshole on ET. And that is saying something.
     
    #149     Jun 9, 2015
  10. fhl

    fhl



    Thank you.
     
    #150     Jun 9, 2015