Poker Question - What are the odds?

Discussion in 'Chit Chat' started by hapaboy, Jul 13, 2008.

  1. nathanos

    nathanos

    Right, 51 cards left total.

    Right, so we are looking for 48 possible cards.

    48/51. I have no idea why you're multiplying two probabilities together; this is just counting.
     
    #11     Jul 14, 2008
  2. I have not forgot about you. I'll get back on it later today or tonight.
     
    #12     Jul 14, 2008
  3. Bump.
     
    #13     Jul 24, 2008
  4. The probability of 3 players to get a pair is 1.8%

    A. There is a [ 52*51*50*49*48*47] / [ 1*2*3*4*5*6] = 20,358,520 SIX cards combos .
    B. Pairs combos : (6*13) * (6*12) * (6*11) = 370,656

    B/A = 0.018


    Calling for all quants to complite the second part
    :)
     
    #14     Jul 25, 2008
  5. ElCubano

    ElCubano

    probabilities is 1/1000th of the game .
     
    #15     Jul 26, 2008
  6. i wouldn't worry about the occasional improbable hand, who cares? it's the likely others that will grind you up.

    Same goes trading
     
    #16     Jul 26, 2008
  7. Sorry about the week long lapse here. A friend died last week and now its back to the grinding stone. I looked at what each of us has done and see where we were using different logic. You were pretty much using the logic of one of x qty possible remaining cards out of y qty cards remaining in the deck. Whereas I was using x qty cards to hit the previously dealt cards out of y qty remaining cards. I like your logic better. After all, if there are 2 two's left out of 50 cards, it's 1:25 that you will get a 2 on the next deal; I don't think anyone would argue that. To that end, here's what I get:

    52 52 1
    48 51 0.941176471
    44 50 0.88
    3 49 0.06122449
    3 48 0.0625
    3 47 0.063829787
    2 46 0.043478261
    2 45 0.044444444
    2 44 0.045454545
    0.000000017768439
    56,279,562.50

    whereas the probability is 1:0.000000017768439 and the odds are 1:56,279,562.50

    Agree?
     
    #17     Jul 26, 2008
  8. nathanos

    nathanos

    I don't think this is correct either for calculating the odds of 3 pocket pairs, but your idea should work when done correctly. Your approach I think was to divide the number of possible permutations of three consecutive pairs (Part B) into the number of possible pairs (Part A), but I think both your numbers are wrong.

    Part B should be (6*2*13)(6*2*12)(6*2*11). You need to use permutations (the entire set), not combinations, to divide the number of possible ways three consecutive pairs can be dealt into the number of possible ways any three hands of two cards can be dealt. The possible number of ways three hands of two cards can be dealt is simply 52*51*50*49*48*47. Again, permutations should be used here so your are dividing into the total set of possible three, two card hands. If you divide these, you'll get the same answer I did, or 1/4943.3, even though I used iterations. Of course they should be the same and are.
     
    #18     Jul 31, 2008
  9. nathanos

    nathanos

    I don't agree with the last three

    It needs to be 6/46 for the first number because it doesn't matter which player's pair the first card of the flop matches. There are 6 cards that could be drawn to makes someone's three of a kind. After someone makes three of a kind, there are only 4 cards left that will match one of the last two players' pairs. After that, the last player must see one of the two possible cards to make three of a kind.

    So by changing 2 2 2 to 6 4 2, we've multiplied by 6, because there are 6 ways in which the three cards of the flop can come down. It doesn't matter in which order they are dealt, e.g. K84, K48, 84K, 8K4, 4K8, 48K, all the same.
     
    #19     Jul 31, 2008
  10. Why you are using times TWO in part B ? The order is irrelevant. There are only 6 combinations of pairs for four “Kings”. Just like there are only 6 Exactas Box in the four horses race.
     
    #20     Jul 31, 2008