Please, I can’t breathe

Discussion in 'Politics' started by BeautifulStranger, Jun 21, 2020.

How Much Police Violence is Acceptable During an Arrest?

  1. Whatever it takes - Painful consequences mean change in criminal behavior

    1 vote(s)
    16.7%
  2. Enough to let the perp know his behavior is not appreciated.

    0 vote(s)
    0.0%
  3. Until the prep is handcuffed, “A little mustard” while retraining him can be ok.

    4 vote(s)
    66.7%
  4. Care should be taken during all phases of an arrest to avoid the use of excessive force.

    0 vote(s)
    0.0%
  5. Earnest efforts should be made to talk to the perp in an attempt avoid a physical confrontation.

    1 vote(s)
    16.7%
  1. userque

    userque

    Exactly!

    The same ones that paint whole races based on the actions of a relative few; break down in tears when "The Police" are all painted according to the negative actions of a few bad cops.

    (However, the good people within a race can't legally control the actions of the negative few.

    Whereas, the so-called "good cops;" not only have a sworn obligation, a duty, a job description, to arrest, report, etc. bad apples in their bunch--they tend not too.

    Not only that, the police also differ in that they volunteered for the job. And, they can quit, resign, or retire at any time.

    No one volunteered to be born into racism; nor can they make racism go away by quitting, resigning, or retiring.)
     
    #21     Jun 22, 2020
  2. chronic issues of a few? you mean an irresponsible culture thats accepted by many in their own ( black) community? c'mon, the black culture is a complete joke.
     
    #22     Jun 22, 2020

  3. Black culture has produced the following:

    1. Quarter billionaire Wlll Smith whose IQ is probably 1 standard deviation higher than most on this board.

    2. Ben Carson, renouned world-class surgeon and current part of the Trump Administration.

    3. Multibillionaire Oprah Winfrey whose long running talkshow seeks to actually solve everyday issues.

    4. Barrack Obama, a recent US President. While I don’t love the guy, many do.

    5. Martin Luther King, Jr, a religious leader whose character and vision caused laws to be implimented to address the harm caused by racism and discrimination.

    6. Colin Powell, Susan Rice, and Candice Owens are respected Conservative politicians.

    7. Neil Degrasse Tyson, world class astrophysicist.

    8. All the other Hollywood actors, leading Black artists of multiple popular music genres, sports stars, servicemen, police officers, medical personnel and the other 20 million employed Black citizens in the United States.

    So my question to you is this: Against the above, how do you measure up?
     
    #23     Jun 22, 2020
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  4. FUCK THESE TYPE OF COPS

    Fucking armed and barking orders to someone who is not armed, is not a threat and the cops never tried to cuff or restrain him.

    Cop who MURDERED the guy was not charged...

    Don't be a pussy and watch the video



    COPS protecting their own...

    A former Mesa, Arizona, police officer who was acquitted two years ago in the fatal shooting of an unarmed man seen on video pleading "please do not shoot me" was temporarily rehired by his department last year so he could apply for an accidental disability pension.

    Philip Mitchell Brailsford, 28, is now retired from the force with a tax-free pension worth $31,000 a year for life — and his attorney confirmed Friday that the settlement was a result of him suffering from post-traumatic stress disorder due to the shooting involving Daniel Shaver of Texas.
     
    #24     Jun 22, 2020
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  5. Murderer was so protected:

    Brailsford was involved in the fatal shooting of Shaver on Jan. 18, 2016, and was fired two months later. His trial began in late 2017, lasting six weeks before he was acquitted of a second-degree murder charge. He was temporarily rehired by Mesa police last August as part of the settlement that allowed him to file for accidental disability retirement benefits.

    The settlement also says Mesa will set aside up to $3 million for Brailsford to defend himself and pay lawsuit settlements related to the case, and that the city will give potential employers a "neutral reference" for him. He is ineligible to be hired again by Mesa.



    Yeah......police never cover up for bad cops or protect their own....
     
    #25     Jun 22, 2020
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  6. Amun Ra

    Amun Ra


    There is only 1 black culture. That's why it's called black culture. There are many blacks that don't adhere to black culture, but I can absolutely paint black culture as bad because we've all seen how negative it is. Wearing pants that fall down so far their underwear shows. Refusal to speak English without a black accent. (How come the blacks in England speak like other English citizens?) The fact they wont report crimes because they don't want to be a snitch. Their music full of filthy words and degrades women...

    Actually you know what...why dont YOU tell me something good about black culture. Maybe you see something I don't.
     
    #26     Jun 22, 2020
  7. This is an interesting case study for several reasons:

    1. The officer’s dad was a police Sergeant. Question 1: Is there a correlation between performance of an officer and having a family member in the force? Question 2: Was special consideration given by the jury and politician decision making concerning this case because of the officer’s dad? Question 3: Did the decision to rehire the officer for a few months so the officer could become eligible for a pension violate ethics concerning the use of public money?

    2. The officer spent time as a Church of Jesus Christ of Latter Day Saints Missionary in Equador. The officer and apparently his family are deeply religious, creating a disconnect between the officers expected beliefs and his actions. Question 1: Is there something about the nature of police work that can put some people on edge? Question 2: If so, what are the warnings signs an officer is on edge and what can be done about it? Question 3: Some people who follow religion are intolerant. Did the officer have an unusually intolerant personality, creating an inevitable situation where someone was going to get shot that didn’t need to? Is this something that should be addressed during the initial screening process?

    3. The victim was drunk and police were called when someone saw the victim point a pellet gun out of a hotel window while showing it to friends inside the room. Question 1: Not to excuse drunkeness, but has there been a study, officer training program, or policy recommedations concerning how to effectively deal with people under the influence? After all, it is a common occurance for the intoxicated to become involved with the police, right?

    4. From Wikipedia.org: Later that month, the Mesa Police Department fired Brailsford, citing several policy violations and unsatisfactory performance.[27] An internal investigation report revealed that Brailsford had violated department weapon policy by engraving his patrol rifle with the phrases "You're fucked" and "Molon labe" (a Greek expression meaning "come and take them").[28][29]Brailsford had also previously been investigated for body slamming a teenager during an arrest.[30]. Question 1: What kind of mentality of the officer does the weapon engraving suggest? “You’re fucked”, to some anyway, is a far cry from “To protect and serve”. Does this language sound like the officer was a practitioner of the Bible’s teachings? Question 2: Should the body slam of a teenager during an arrest trigger disciplinary action or preventative intervention that might have ultimately prevented this tragedy?

    I have been viewing body cam recordings of officers and the public on YouTube. There are some common denominators that include people venting, pissing matches, not recognizing their obligations or another right’s, and excessive willingness to escalate. However, the most basic theme is intolerance. People on edge don’t want to be inconvenienced, told what to do, or feel their privacy is being compromised. Officers get tired of people doing stupid and illegal shit and then getting blamed for intervening. A Louisianna officer told me once “We are public enemy number one”.

    A solution to the ongoing problem of police-public abuse, and yes it goes both ways, is through the media and if necessary, activism. The media should not take sides. When an incident happens, it should be reported, the video cams played, and polls conducted. Physcological experts should then weigh in with their ideas on how the incident could have been prevented.

    The police work for us, even if some of us violate our own rules or rules we don’t agree with from time to time. The police need to remember this. Public demands consistent high performance from the police in what has to be one of the hardest jobs in the world. The public needs to remember there is only so much abuse the good guys will take before leaving or not caring, and thus the public should conduct themselves accordingly.
     
    #27     Jun 22, 2020
  8. Please take time to fully read and consider what I’ve written about who Black culture has produced. In addition, in my mind, you are obligated to me for answeing the question I had for you in my previous post. After all, I’m answering your questions without reservation.

    The following are positive features of Black Culture:

    1. Honor your Mother and Father.
    2. Practice what you preach.
    3. Work hard.
    4. Help someone in need.
    5. Be honest, even if it hurts.
    6. Turn the other cheek (If someone hurts you in some way, don’t retaliate). Great advice to avoid further damage to both parties through escalation.
    7. Heart felt music appreciated by many.
    8. Black will go further in protecting their friends on average than certain other culture(s).

    What’s that you say? You can show me examples of Blacks who don’t always do these things? Even some who may have never done any of these things? I’m shocked, just shocked, I tell ya.

    To characterize an entire group of people based on the actions of a few is faulty reasoning. The bad actions of a few stand out more than the mundane, but good actions of the many. What do think sells movies? Or media ad slots, for that matter?

    So tell us, my fellow human being, what is your contribution to our world?
     
    #28     Jun 22, 2020
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  9. Dr. Love

    Dr. Love

     
    #29     Jun 22, 2020
  10. Bugenhagen

    Bugenhagen

    Fuck Ben Carson (how awful for black people) but Will Smith would be more than one standard deviation above the average in this forum.

    When Carson said the pyramids were grain stores built for the great flood.. Wow.
     
    #30     Jun 22, 2020