Jem, I think you made my point. The small guy cannot trade a pit traded contract and get a good fill. That is why the mini electronic markets were created. So mom and pop america can trade everything from the sp mini's to the gold mini's on their home computer. The exchanges wanted to tap into new order flow and they got it. As far as large orders go, during the last week I made numerous calls to Chicago talking to bokers, traders, and clearing firms and everyone one of them told me that if your going to trade size you take it to the floor. Your 5000 lot in the spoos will get treated much better then your 5 lot. Like I said in my previous post, I believe they will integrate every contract electronically, but....I think they want to find a happy medium. So the only way to do that is to create similiar contracts with different specs. For example a larger spoo contract that would be traded in the pit and keep the mini's on the screen so joe daytrader can trade his 5 and 10 lots and make his 500 bucks. I think all three exchanges will integrate their technology and through ecenomies of scale make a much more cost effective product. They know they have to do this. It's not like these exchanges compete with another. They will have to unite to cut costs and to offer the most market transparency as possible. As far as traders go, I have talked to a few myself the last week and it turns out they are still making out very nicely. Not all, but many of them. From what I hear the guys that don't make it on the floor leave and go to the screens and mumble something about how hard it is. But don't failed traders do that everywhere. I mean how many meesages are there on this board were daytraders leave and go across the street and trade somewhere else because they just can't make money at prop firm xyz so they go to prop firm abc. Yeah that must be the reason. They also told me the floor is packed and if there are any less traders there now you sure couldn't tell. The bottom line is the three exchanges in Chicago have so much at stake here that if you think they are just going to sit there and let the Eurex come in here and take their business you have got to be kidding me. Has anyone on this board thought for one second what that would do to the chicago economy. Do you have any idea howe many people are employed on those 3 exchanges and the combined income of every person on the floor. I mean look at how hard Bloomberg fought to keep the NYSE in Manhatten when they were talking about going to New Jersey. Do you have any idea what the tax implications would be for NY if that would have happened. I mean that is a scary thought. There is just too much at stake here. The politicians won't let it happen, the traders, the brokers, the board members, the clerks, the staff, the clearing firms, the list goes on. Well like I said, we'll see what happens.
The emini's aren't proof that the screen will conquer! If that were the case SPOO volume would be declining year over year. It's not. In fact it actually grew in the past year. As Maverick said, the emini is a different market than the SPOO. It's targeted towards the at home day trader. It has been successful in part due to the low spreads in equities and lower margins. Comparing the mini to the SPOO is apples to oranges. I agree with Maverick.
LOL America? Loyalty? LOL The exchanges cannot expect patriotism and loyalty when they have been screwing off floor American traders for years. I am a loyal American and I hope Eurex kicks ass!
Eurex can't offer any S&P, Nasdaq, or Dow contracts as these licenses are exclusively offered by the exchanges that trade them.
We may be able to get the CFTC to open up the monopoly on those products if we can convince them that the pit is colluding to keep spreads wider than is justified.
I also agree with Maverick on the power of the floor. A friend of mine just began trading on the floor of the Merc. His pit is so crowded he can't even trade from the pit yet. He trades on the floor from the center of the pit, not inside the pit. Yeah, the floor must be dead.
CFTC has no jurisdiction on the licenses of the indexes. Dow Jones had license over Dow Jones, Standard & Poors over the S&P, and Nasdaq over the Nasdog. Please keep the collusion talk coming. The importance of laughter is being recognized by the medical profession every day.
It's hardly apples to oranges. It's 5 Granny apples to 1 McIntosh! Last summer the ES was not yet trading the notional value of the pit. This year it's out pacing the pit notionally 2-1. Last year ES volume was up almost 300% from 2001. SP volume was up 4%. I'll post the January final numbers at the end of next week, but I'll tell you now, it's ugly for the pit. If SP traded side by side (RTH) I wouldn't give it a month. I'm a former floor trader at both the CME and the CBOT so I don't have a bone (no pun intended) to pick with the floor. Once upon a time Locals did provide the ultimate source of liquidity. Now any one in the world has the capability of being a liquidity provider. I bet there's guys on this board who trade ES at more prices a day than many locals. There's nothing magical about standing next to an order filler and picking off paper. At the end of the day most locals are an inefficiency in the marketplace, just like the .25 tick.