Peterffy (IB) takes out ad in WSJ to warn against BTC futures

Discussion in 'Wall St. News' started by JackRab, Nov 15, 2017.

  1. JackRab

    JackRab

    Great..... so at least that's not me :D
     
    #31     Nov 16, 2017
  2. #32     Nov 16, 2017
  3. Daal

    Daal

    This must be why GBTC (the pseudo BTC ETF) is unshortable at IB. FWIW, the clearing firm Vision does allow shorting of it, they just require 200% margins. I'm very curious to see what will be the min margin requirement for shorting the BTC futures across multiple brokers
     
    #33     Nov 16, 2017
  4. just21

    just21

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    #34     Nov 16, 2017
  5. Overnight

    Overnight

    Then how did the fool get their money in the first place? Could never figure that out.
     
    #35     Nov 16, 2017
  6. ajacobson

    ajacobson

    Our futures brokers have advised us they will not offer them until a spread market develops.
     
    #36     Nov 16, 2017
  7. Surprise

    Surprise

    The solution for such volatile instruments , is to auto-deleverage both sides the winning and the losing , thats how they do it at Bitmex and they offer 100:1 leverage for this sh** ! . They show you your position que in the auto-deleveraging algo . If losers dont have enough money to cover losses then you auto-delevrage them and the winners , if there are no winners then there are no losers .
     
    #37     Nov 16, 2017
  8. JackRab

    JackRab

    At what price do they auto-deleverage? Because if the price jumps 100% there's no time to auto-deleverage. You can't just say, you can't take your profit because the losers can't cover it. That's called defaulting.

    Unless they control the price themselves at Bitmex... which is a form of centralization so flies against the believes of bitcoin community....
     
    #38     Nov 16, 2017
  9. ajacobson

    ajacobson

    "Margin

    We expected a market with this much volatility would require a bit more margin than your typical futures contract… perhaps on the range of the VIX futures margin requirements. And, yes, it is large, with the CME setting margin between 25-30%. Margin can be roughly thought of as the amount that the exchange wants customers to have in their accounts to cover a 1 day loss, so 30% is telling you they don’t see this normalizing in terms of volatility any time soon.

    As of November 1, the indicative Initial Margin for BTC futures is 25-30%. This is subject to change, and is being reviewed on an ongoing basis.

    What does 30% margin equate to in terms of money needed in your account to trade these futures. Well, with Bitcoin at around $6,500 and the contract worth 5 bitcoin, the nominal size of the contract (as of today) would be $32,500 worth of Bitcoin. 30% of that is $9,750. So, you’re looking at needing about $10,000 to “own” exposure to 5 bitcoins, which seems far better than shelling out tens of thousands to some unregulated offshore Bitcoin exchange (which is exactly what the futures exchanges are betting on..)"

    The first email I've received that they be offering the futures.
     
    #39     Nov 16, 2017
  10. Millionaire

    Millionaire

    Luck or Inheritance.

    Actually Inheritance also falls under Luck!

    It was G Gekko who once said "A fool and his money are lucky enough to get together in the first place".
     
    #40     Nov 16, 2017
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