Peter Schiff to appear on the Daily Show:Warning some sheep may wakeup

Discussion in 'Wall St. News' started by cgtrader, Jun 3, 2009.

  1. Schiff is pure Austrian Economics ... the same stuff that underpins the views of Marc Faber and Jim Rogers, to name a couple.

    Lots of people saw and understood what Schiff did re: the coming collapse. Peter deserves credit for standing up in the middle of the party and telling everyone the sh*t stinks. He weathered ridicule for a couple years while he did it ... give him credit.


    Those of you jamming on him for riding commodities down with the crash - take an enema already. Ramifications of the real estate collapse is playing out over several years. Commodities and foreign stocks remain up HUGE relative to everything else ... with anything but an ET-microsecond timeframe, he's making out in spades.
     
    #41     Jun 12, 2009
  2. I've heard this argument from many others, BUT YOU ARE CONFUSED. Let me try to simplify this.

    A. Credit is contracting, yes, leading to immediate deflation.

    B. Governments are printing money to counter-act A.

    C. That new liquidity is being disproportionately channelled into hard assets. Look at Oil, Copper, Gold, and USD weakness.

    C is the rumblings of outrageous inflation of the worst kind. High unemployment leaves wages slack, yet the price of goods rises at accelerating rates. Eventually this inflation will require a cataclysmic rate hike ala Volcker.

    Fortunately it will take years to play out. But make no mistake, markets are going to be WILD over the next few years - particularly currencies & commodities.

    Another way to say it: This inflation will be different from past inflations in that it will not be driven by tight labor but instead by easy money.

    Buy commodities.
    Sell the USD.
    Stocks will rise, but it is more of an 'easy money' pheonomenon than an improvement in real earnings. Stockholders can only keep pace ... at best.
     
    #42     Jun 12, 2009
  3. You don't get it. Hendry has a public track record that makes him accountable. Schiff doesn't. Talking heads like Schiff do not want to be held accountable. They just go back in history and claim victory on the calls that turned out right and they want the public to forget about the calls they got wrong.

    Track records never go away and don't forget any mistakes. They're poison for talking heads.

    Hendry's hedge fund was up 30% after fees in 2008 and last time I looked he's down 4% in 2009 (through May 31). The difference between Schiff and Hendry is that Schiff has a -60% year and still has a "job" of selling BS investment advice to unsophisticated retail investors on TV and goldbug blogs; Hendry knows if he had a -60% year he'd be forced to shut down his entire business he spent building for 10 years. It's called risk management and knowing when you're wrong -- an alien concept to Schiff.

    I'd say ~+26% (30% - 4%) probably easily beats Schiff's "performance" (which we have to guess) from Jan 2008 through May 2009.

    Don't judge calls (since they are not transparent); judge track records. Hendry has a track record. Paulson has a track record.

    What do Roubini, Faber and Schiff have? Airtime and a cult status on YouTube, nothing else.
     
    #43     Jun 12, 2009
  4. Unfortunately, I bet most dumbass investors with his only ever heard of him and his amazing "strategy" (buy foreign stocks stocks with zero risk and money management, average down into losing positions, what an amazing radical strategy) in 2007/2008 -- and not in 2000/2001/2002. I'd not be surprised that he saw the biggest inflows into his accounts right in 2007/2008, after he released his "crash proof" book.

    And then, all those scared housewifes and dentists -- who thought they could sleep soundly as they were now "protected against dollar losses" and "fully crash proof" -- saw their 50k and 100k accounts implode 50-70% in a matter of months. And then half of them probably pulled out their money right in Dec/Jan with emerging market stocks in the dumpster and the Dollar index at 90.
     
    #44     Jun 12, 2009
  5. compare the logic and nuance of the deflation view with schiff and his hyperinflation talk. he keeps saying america is printing too much money therefore america equals zimbabwe.
    seriously, how clueless is this guy?

    hyperinflation ensues in third world countries becaues the governments LITERALLY print huge quantities of notes and put them directly into circulation. do they even have credit in zimbabwe? have they ever? people end up taking wheelbarrows full of notes to buy simple things. that can never ever happen in america because there are not enough physical fiat notes. if anything there is a serious prospect of a hyperdeflationary depression where digital money becomes worthless and physical fiat notes become exremely valuable.
     
    #45     Jun 12, 2009
  6. Cutten

    Cutten

    Someone who suffered a 60%+ drawdown is wrong, period.
     
    #46     Jun 12, 2009
  7. Cutten

    Cutten

    Wrong, Faber has a track record and manages money.
     
    #47     Jun 12, 2009
  8. Yeah Makloda, but that's how things work.
    The minute Schiff became a talking head sensation was an immediate warning signal to the informed - a classic fade.
    The dentists/soccer moms of the world are always late to the party and ALWAYS get in at the top.

    Peter's extremely prescient call about the real estate market has saved many a people. The people who didn't hear him out or listen to him about home valuations got royally dicked (in the bubble states).

    Peter's analysis is correct and will continue to prove correct for many years to come. I think he's an inspirational orator and a presicent long-term market timer. Some people just hate to give credit where it's due.



     
    #48     Jun 12, 2009
  9. sprstpd

    sprstpd

    That doesn't make any sense to me at all. Both forms are completely fungible. Electronic transfers are easier and more accepted for many types of transactions. Please explain how that sentence makes any sense at all.
     
    #49     Jun 12, 2009
  10. Hoppean

    Hoppean

    I think what he's saying is that, while both forms of money may be fungible today, they may not be in the future. A good historical example would be America in 1929, at the time gold and federal reserve notes were fungible. However when the crisis hit, people demanded that their Fed notes be redeemed in gold coin, when this could not happen because of the nature of the banking system, the result was massive bank failures and a loss of purchasing power for Fed notes relative to gold coin. Incidentally, this also answers the common misconception about the Fed "not doing enough", since they could not actually create the physical gold that was necessary to stem the bank runs. Further, the catalyst for this "hyperdeflationary scenario" is that (electronic) credit ceases to expand at an ever increasing rate. Once this happens, and it already has, it is more than conceivable that the enormous inverted pyramid of electronic debt/credit that exists in both the private and public sector, can cave in on itself through "cascading cross defaults"; as the margins in the sectors, that have benefited from artificially low interest rates and credit expansion, contract causing mass defaults. At the extreme all that will be left will be the reserves which "back" this electronic credit, namely Fed notes, remembering that all these electronic deposits at commercial banks are nothing but legal promises to pay federal reserve notes, on demand.
     
    #50     Jun 14, 2009