Perceptions of Islam in the Christendoms

Discussion in 'Religion and Spirituality' started by Nabuchodonosor, Jun 2, 2007.

  1. Darfour?? They Are Muslim tribe fighting against other Muslim tribes!

    Rwanda?? How are Muslims involved in Rwanda?? Oh my god! Are you trying to pin it to us while it was your Belgium Jewish diamond traders that benefited the most from this genocide?? Not even a single Muslim was involved in that genocide. Instead, Muslims of Rwanda gave refuge to refugees from both sides. You are such a low life liar dddooo.

    Israel??? Khahahahahahaha! Yes dddooo them damn Palestinians had the audacity to fight against your occupation and ethnic cleansing.

    You are a liar dddooo! How is anyone to belive you when you push such fraudulent lies?
     
    #21     Jun 3, 2007
  2. Why don't you, Mr. Honest, quote Israel Shahak, Uri Avnary, David Shmir, Noam Chumsky, Norm Filkenstine, Jeff Halper, Amira Haas and others and others??

    There are thousands of good Jews who despise you and see you as a bigger danger to them than any other external force.

    These people will tell you the truth about your fascist ideology. The truth dddooo. Not the "Muslims had a hand in the Rwanda Genocide" lie you tried to push.
     
    #22     Jun 3, 2007
  3. I wonder if dddooo would report such incident;

    Woman beaten on Jerusalem bus for refusing to move to rear seat

    By Daphna Berman

    A woman who reported a vicious attack by an ad-hoc "modesty patrol" on a Jerusalem bus last month is now lining up support for her case and may be included in a petition to the High Court of Justice over the legality of sex-segregated buses.

    Miriam Shear says she was traveling to pray at the Western Wall in Jerusalem's Old City early on November 24 when a group of ultra-Orthodox (Haredi) men attacked her for refusing to move to the back of the Egged No. 2 bus. She is now in touch with several legal advocacy and women's organizations, and at the same time, waiting for the police to apprehend her attackers.

    In her first interview since the incident, Shear says that on the bus three weeks ago, she was slapped, kicked, punched and pushed by a group of men who demanded that she sit in the back of the bus with the other women. The bus driver, in response to a media inquiry, denied that violence was used against her, but Shear's account has been substantiated by an unrelated eyewitness on the bus who confirmed that she sustained an unprovoked "severe beating."

    Shear, an American-Israeli woman who currently lives in Canada, says that on a recent five-week vacation to Israel, she rode the bus daily to the Old City to pray at sunrise. Though not defined by Egged as a sex-segregated "mehadrin" bus, women usually sit in the back, while men sit in the front, as a matter of custom.

    "Every two or three days, someone would tell me to sit in the back, sometimes politely and sometimes not," she recalled this week in a telephone interview. "I was always polite and said 'No. This is not a synagogue. I am not going to sit in the back.'"

    But Shear, a 50-year-old religious woman, says that on the morning of the 24th, a man got onto the bus and demanded her seat - even though there were a number of other seats available in the front of the bus.

    "I said, I'm not moving and he said, 'I'm not asking you, I'm telling
    you.' Then he spat in my face and at that point, I was in high
    adrenaline mode and called him a son-of-a-bitch, which I am not proud of. Then I spat back. At that point, he pushed me down and people on the bus were screaming that I was crazy. Four men surrounded me and slapped my face, punched me in the chest, pulled at my clothes, beat me, kicked me. My snood [hair covering] came off. I was fighting back and kicked one of the men in his privates. I will never forget the look on his face."

    Shear says that when she bent down in the aisle to retrieve her hair covering, "one of the men kicked me in the face. Thank God he missed my eye. I got up and punched him. I said, 'I want my hair covering back' but he wouldn't give it to me, so I took his black hat and threw it in the aisle."

    'Stupid American'

    Throughout the encounter, Shear says the bus driver "did nothing." The other passengers, she says, blamed her for not moving to the back of the bus and called her a "stupid American with no sechel [common sense.]
    People blamed me for not knowing my place and not going to the back of the bus where I belong."


    According to Yehoshua Meyer, the eyewitness to the incident, Shear's account is entirely accurate. "I saw everything," he said. "Someone got on the bus and demanded that she go to the back, but she didn't agree.
    She was badly beaten and her whole body sustained hits and kicks. She tried to fight back and no one would help her. I tried to help, but someone was stopping me from getting up. My phone's battery was dead, so I couldn't call the police. I yelled for the bus driver to stop.
    He stopped once, but he didn't do anything. When we finally got to the Kotel [Western Wall], she was beaten badly and I helped her go to the police."

    Shear says that when she first started riding the No. 2 line, she did not even know that it was sometimes sex-segregated. She also says that sitting in the front is simply more comfortable. "I'm a 50-year-old woman and I don't like to sit in the back. I'm dressed appropriately and I was on a public bus."

    "It is very dangerous for a group of people to take control over a
    public entity and enforce their will without going through due process," she said. "Even if they [Haredim who want a segregated bus] are a majority - and I don't think they are - they have options available.
    They can petition Egged or hire their own private line. But as long as it's a public bus, I don't care if there are 500 people telling me where to sit. I can sit wherever I want and so can anyone else."

    Meyer says that throughout the incident, the other passengers blamed Shear for not sitting in the back. "They'll probably claim that she attacked them first, but that's totally untrue. She was abused terribly, and I've never seen anything like it."

    Word of Shear's story traveled quickly after she forwarded an e-mail detailing her experience. She has been contacted by a number of groups, including Shatil, the New Israel Fund's Empowerment and Training Center for Social Change; Kolech, a religious women's forum; the Israel Religious Action Center (IRAC), the legal advocacy arm of the local Reform movement; and the Jewish Orthodox Feminist Alliance (JOFA).

    In the coming month, IRAC will be submitting a petition to the High Court of Justice against the Transportation Ministry over the issue of segregated Egged buses. IRAC attorney Orly Erez-Likhovski is in touch with Shear and is considering including her in the petition.

    Although the No. 2 Jerusalem bus where the incident occurred is not actually defined as a mehadrin line, Erez-Likhovski says that Shear's story is further proof that the issue requires legal clarification.
    About 30 Egged buses are designated as mehadrin, mostly on inter-city lines, but they are not marked to indicate this. "There's no way to identify a mehadrin bus, which in itself is a problem," she said.

    "Theoretically, a person can sit wherever they want, even on a mehadrin line, but we're seeing that people are enforcing [the gender segregation] even on non-mehadrin lines and that's the part of the danger," she said.

    On a mehadrin bus, women enter and exit through the rear door, and the seats from the rear door back are generally considered the "women's section." A child is usually sent forward to pay the driver.

    The official responses

    In a response from Egged, the bus driver denied that Shear was
    physically attacked in any way.

    "In a thorough inquiry that we conducted, we found that the bus driver does not confirm that any violence was used against the complainant, " Egged spokesman Ron Ratner wrote.

    "According to the driver, once he saw that there was a crowd gathering around her, he stopped the bus and went to check what was going on. He clarified to the passengers that the bus was not a mehadrin line and that all passengers on the line are permitted to sit wherever they want on the bus. After making sure that the passengers returned to their seats, he continued driving."

    The Egged response also noted that their drivers "are not able and are not authorized to supervise the behavior of the passengers in all situations."

    Ministry of Transportation spokesperson Avner Ovadia said in response that the mehadrin lines are "the result of agreements reached between Egged and Haredi bodies" and are therefore unconnected to the ministry.

    A spokesperson for the Jerusalem police said the case is still under investigation.
     
    #23     Jun 3, 2007
  4. I also wonder why this story was never mentioned by dddooo!

    Leading rabbi calls for extermination of Arabs

    Rabbi Yosef calling for mass slaughter of Arabs



    No greater hate is there than that revealed in ancient Jewish scripture. Here is how the former Sephardic chief rabbi of Israel and current spiritual leader of the Shas political party in the Knesset (Israel's parliament) would like to revive that old-time religion with a new blood orgy, as reported on April 10, 2001 (16:01 GMT 17:01

    UK: Calls for annihilation of Arabs'), by the BBC.



    Rabbi Yosef calling for mass slaughter of Arabs


    JERUSALEM ˜ The spiritual leader of Israel's ultra-orthodox Shas party, Rabbi Ovadia Yosef, has provoked outrage with a sermon calling for the annihilation of Arabs.

    "It is forbidden to be merciful to them. You must send missiles to them and annihilate them. They are evil and damnable," he was quoted as saying in a sermon delivered on Monday to mark the Jewish festival of Passover.

    Rabbi Yosef is one of the most powerful religious figures in Israel, He is known for his outspoken comments and has in the past referred to the Arabs as "vipers".

    Regarded as saint by Jews

    Through his influence over Shas, Israel's third largest political party, he is also a significant political figure.

    As founder and spiritual leader of the political party Shas, Rabbi Yosef is held in almost saintly regard by hundreds of thousands of Jews of Middle Eastern and North African origin.


    The Palestinian Authority has condemned the sermon as racist and is calling on international organizations to treat the rabbi as a war criminal.

    Rabbi Yosef said in his sermon that enemies have tried to hurt the Jewish people from the time of the exodus from Egypt to this day.


    Calls for genocide


    "The Lord shall return the Arabs' deeds on their own heads, waste their seed and exterminate them, devastate them and vanish them from this world," he said.

    Palestinian cabinet minister Hassan Asfur urged international civil institutions and human rights organizations to consider Rabbi Yosef a war criminal in future.

    The utterances were "a clear call for murder and a political an intellectual terrorism that will lead to military terrorism", he said in remarks reported on Palestinian radio.

    He added that no punishment would come from Israel "because its political culture and action are in line with [the rabbi's] racist statements".
     
    #24     Jun 3, 2007
  5. I completely agree. Good post.

    OldTrader
     
    #25     Jun 3, 2007
  6. I'll say it again:

    The body is for attack.

    The original purpose of the body is to attack and to be attacked.

    While it is valued, attack is valued.

    These religions are of the belief that their god made bodies.

    While they value such gods, they value attack.

    This is why attack among idolaters is common.



    Jesus
     
    #26     Jun 4, 2007
  7. Who punishes the body is insane.

    The body represents the little bit of mind you call your own and all the rest of what is really yours.

    You hate the body, yet you think it is your self, and that, without it, would your self be lost.

    This is the secret vow you have made with every brother who would walk apart.

    This is the secret oath you take again, whenever you perceive yourself attacked.

    No one can suffer if he does not see himself attacked, and losing by attack.

    Unstated and unheard in consciousness is every pledge to sickness. Yet it is a promise to another to be hurt by him, and to attack him in return.

    Sickness is anger taken out upon the body, so that it will suffer pain. It is the obvious effect of what was made in secret, in agreement with another's secret wish to be apart from you, as you would to be apart from him. Unless you both agree that is your wish, it can have no effects.

    Whoever says, "There is no gap between my mind and yours" has kept God's promise, not his tiny oath to be forever faithful unto death. And by his healing is his brother healed.

    Let this be your agreement with everyone; that you be one with him and not apart. And he will keep the promise that you make with him, because it is the one that he has made to God, as God has made to him.

    God keeps his promises; His Son keeps his.

    As the Son of God, those who are fighting each other do not remember their promise to our Father.

    What promise?

    The promise to never be apart.

    Those who are fighting do not remember that they said, "I will" to never be apart from the Father...though in that promise was the Son of God born.

    Yet you are reminded of this every time you choose not to share a promise to be sick, instead letting the mind be healed and unified.

    Secret vows are powerless before the Will of God, Whose promises he shares.

    And the Son, who's will is the same as the Father's, will not ultimately substitute any other will instead of what he has promised the Father.

    Let your will be done on earth as it is in heaven, and the fighting, apartheid, attack and sickness will cease.

    Jesus
     
    #27     Jun 4, 2007
  8. Russia was fighting a war against Chechnya, in which many civilians were killed. It was Russia's fault not to discuss a peaceful, prisoner-swap solution, so they have no reason to complain.

    Staged by a Zionist Jew who's called Flemming Rose, he refused to print cartoons mocking Jews or portraying the ridiculous Holocaust denial laws in his country, which would have ended the controversy.

    Australia was occupying Afganistan and later Iraq, so, in their eys, it's a legitimate target.

    Had nothing to do with Islam.

    Spain and England were both illegally occupying Iraq and Afghanistan, supporting Israel, which makes them a legitimate target.

    Every Israeli male has to serve in the Isreaeli army and support the illegal occupation, apartheid regime. Israeli civilians, with very few exceptions, are indigents from ghettos in Poland and Russia, were they lived in filth and crime. Those people should have gone to their homeland in Southern Siberia, which Stalin created and financed in the 1930s, never to come in contact with the rest of humanity again. Of course, they couldn't do that and had to usurp an existing state, for which they can thank their manipulative, more sophisticated brethren in New York.

    Also, attacks on Israeli civilians are far and few between compared to killings of Palestinian civilians, theft of their farms and houses, humilations in the 600 checkpoints of the West-bank. Palestinians can't even visit their familly who live 5 miles away without spending 4 - 8 hours in traffic jams created by 18 year old Jewish scum.

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    See: http://www.ifamericansknew.org/cur_sit/index.html.

    Wouldn't you agree that they have the right to decide which legislature they install in their own nations? It's a fact that those laws lower crime rates. For instance, homocide and rape are almost nonexistent in Iran. So it does have its advantages.
     
    #28     Jun 4, 2007
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    More likely rape isn't reported in Iran because the women fear the stoning deaths of "honor killings" for shaming their male family members...barbarians.
     
    #29     Jun 4, 2007
  10. Hmm, I wonder why.

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    No wonder the perception of Islam is so negative in the west when they either strap suicide belts to their women and children or use them as human shields. They should start investing in bombshelters instead of hiding rocket launchers in school yards and bomb factories in residential areas and the perception of Islam will improve overnight.

    Sure they have the right to decide which legislature they install in the own nations. Would not you agree that the west also has the right to despise medieval societies, savage customs and aggressive, violent religions.
     
    #30     Jun 4, 2007