PCLN straddle

Discussion in 'Options' started by johnshepherd59, Aug 7, 2012.

  1. By 7.50 wide butterfly, do you mean the September 45/52.5/60 butterfly? I see that going for 2.55 on thinkorswim. Or do you mean the August? The August fly is going close to 3.
     
    #41     Aug 9, 2012
  2. Doobs789

    Doobs789

    I see a max payout of $3 at expiry, given a $2 debit.
     
    #42     Aug 9, 2012
  3. the biggest thing here is.. how can you really consider the butterflys max payout when that rarely occurs... another way to delusion yourself.. just my thoughts..
     
    #43     Aug 9, 2012
  4. Exactly! 'Fly's max payout is a myth and should not be taken into consideration. However, a wide IB may be a viable strategy if the target profit is in the 10-20% range of the max risk.

    E.g. SPY Sep 135/140/145 iron butterfly may be established for 3.66 credit. The risk is 1.34. Once SPY moves down to 139 or stays at 140 within next week or two, the spread can be closed for 3.40 or so. That's .26 profit per 1.34 risked or ~20%. The question is how much can one lose (besides full loss) and what is the appropriate position size.
     
    #44     Aug 10, 2012
  5. See someone agrees with me... market isn't moving at all.... short premiumon the near term
     
    #45     Aug 10, 2012
  6. I'd buy a weekly straddle on aapl at the close if it closes cents from a strike... sell it Monday morning
     
    #46     Aug 10, 2012
  7. Doobs789

    Doobs789

    I was just thinking conceptually.
     
    #47     Aug 10, 2012
  8. Doobs789

    Doobs789

    Vol is real cheap here. I probably wouldn't sell premium now, as vol may tick up from here next week.

    On the other hand, you said that you are buying a straddle, so I guess you want to be long vol.
     
    #48     Aug 10, 2012
  9. But a risk to reward ratio is skewed positive because of the low probability of Max profit... so a double butterfly at earnings isn't gonna perform near as well as predicted
     
    #49     Aug 10, 2012
  10. Yea I was just theorizing the trade based on premium being cheap and a strike pin on the weeklies will create a rattle Monday morning.. with market makers guessing on assignment
     
    #50     Aug 10, 2012