PCLN Earnings - 1080/1100/1120 Call Fly - Paper Trade

Discussion in 'Options' started by FXforex, Nov 7, 2013.

  1. Doobs789

    Doobs789

    Yeah. Depends on where the stock was when you quoted it. Regardless, the entire debit of that trade was gone by today's close.
     
    #11     Nov 8, 2013
  2. FXforex

    FXforex

    Actual move: $1023 - $1,073 $50 (4.9%)
    Expected move: $1023 - $1,100 $77 (7.7%)
     
    #12     Nov 9, 2013
  3. Safilo

    Safilo

    A butterfly isn't a binary wager because you have a range within two breakeven points where the price must exceed so that you can earn full profit.

    If the stock closes beyond either your high or low breakeven points you'll earn a limited profit, while if it closes at or near the middle strike you will sustain a loss.

    A binary wager is either-or, meaning it would hit a specific price or not, and if it does you get your full profit. With a butterfly you won't get full profit unless the stock passes your b/e points by a good margin (or stays as close to the midpoint between them if you're doing a short butterfly).
     
    #13     Nov 10, 2013
  4. Doobs789

    Doobs789

    I am not stating that a butterfly spread is a binary wager. I am saying that placing a directional bet on a stock prior to it's earnings report is (assuming no insider info).

    Also, your explanation of butterfly gains/losses is flawed.
     
    #14     Nov 11, 2013
  5. Doobs789

    Doobs789

    You are correct in that the stock's implied move was greater than realized. Trading a fly in this situation isn't a bad idea, but I would have structured it differently.

    First, I would have gone with a later expiry (a few weeks to 1 or 2 months out). That way you can reduce your -gamma position (you won't earn as much on vol, but you'll reduce your delta risk). If your fly didn't expire a day after the report, you would have had a chance for the stock to touch your neutral strike (1100).

    Additionally, I would have spaced the strikes wider (greater than the value of the atm straddle).

    This structure will earn less if you are dead right the next day, but will also still hold-up well if you are wrong.
     
    #15     Nov 11, 2013
  6. Safilo

    Safilo

    Right...

    LOL

    Butterfly spreads are neutral - that's their point. You can profit if the stock stays still or goes in EITHER direction. If you think the stock is going to go hard one way or the other you'd be better off with a simple two strike spread or long call/put.

    No it wasn't. Your brain is flawed.
     
    #16     Nov 11, 2013
  7. Doobs789

    Doobs789

    Alright, man. No point in getting into an argument.

    Also, a butterfly can be bearish/neutral/bullish depending on strike selection.
     
    #17     Nov 11, 2013
  8. only a fly AT the money is neutral. When it is structured OTM then its also directional.
     
    #18     Nov 11, 2013
  9. You are so far out of your depth that it's laughable. Was the OP's fly neutral? wheeeeeeee
     
    #19     Nov 11, 2013
  10. :D





    God its been dull around here.....
     
    #20     Nov 11, 2013