Paul Tudor Jones

Discussion in 'Trading' started by bentedges, Jul 25, 2009.

  1. Were you around during the development of Ranger?
     
    #81     Jul 27, 2009

  2. I used a quotron hand held, but never heard of or used Marketview. My first real time feed was DBC FM in 1990. i was strictly from the retail end, obviously.

    Thanks for the info. Can you post a shot of Marketview Real time Chart so that it can be compared to today's real time charts?

    i think we may have a definition confusion taking place---

    He traded from the paper charts in real time ??? sounds impossible!



    surf
     
    #82     Jul 27, 2009
  3. No.
     
    #83     Jul 27, 2009
  4. Maverick1

    Maverick1

    Does anyone have an idea of how Paul himself has done since then? Not the firm, but his own personal trading. Also, I heard that Jim Pallota left Tudor some time back, too hard to make money in stocks now?
     
    #84     Jul 27, 2009
  5. Although he subscribed to a weekly commodity (paper) chart service, he used MarketView for his real-time quotes and charts. They don't even exist anymore. Got acquired by another company.
    You are talking over 20 years ago, man.
     
    #85     Jul 27, 2009
  6. The earliest charting I recall was D Bruce's option graphing as well as Schwartzatron, but it was not anything terribly useful and it was risk-graphing primarily. I don't recall if you could chart the underlying.

    Papyrus had the first usable charting for the Windows environment and CQG for DOS.
     
    #86     Jul 27, 2009
  7. I have no idea about PTJ's own personal trading. I got the feeling that both Paul and Louis Bacon farmed a lot of their assets out to sub-managers. As for their own personal trading, I have no clue.

    But Pallota was managing $7 billion of the $18 billion in assets at Tudor,(in Boston) just before he split to go on his own a year ago. Pallota was manager of the Raptor Global Fund at Tudor and had been there for about 15 years, but had suffered a 33% decline since May 2007, the longest losing streak ever for Pallota.

    Even though Pallota went off to start his own fund, Paul initially left a large portion of Tudor's equity portfolio with Pallota. Paul had $5 Billion with Pallota as recently as August of last year. When Pallota spun-off to start up his own fund, he started out with $1.5 billion, but incurred losses of about 20% last year and dealt with a lot of client withdrawals.

    As a result, Pallota shut down "Raptor" just last month. At the time of closing, he had only $800 million in it. Pallota told the press at the time that he was looking to start a new fund after taking a few months off to create a new strategy. Sounds like someone may have been down pretty badly on the year and was nowhere near their "high-water" mark; but pure speculation on my part.

    If you really want a "rags to riches" story in the hedge-fund business, look no further than Paul's buddy and former Shearon broker, Louis Moore Bacon.
     
    #87     Jul 27, 2009
  8. yeah, thanks.

    too bad, i would have interest to see what those "real time" charts looked like.

    surf
     
    #88     Jul 27, 2009
  9. And what are you Thunderdog?

    A little smartass?
     
    #89     Jul 27, 2009
  10. They were actually pretty good because they allowed for different time horizons and user adjustibility. If I remember correctly, they also had some basic technical studies too.

    Night and Day from the dinosaur days of Quotetron. :D
     
    #90     Jul 27, 2009