Paul Ryan is either a chameleon, a flip-flopper or a liar.

Discussion in 'Politics' started by Free Thinker, Aug 13, 2012.

  1. thats just nonsense. if obama were king instead of president he would not have chosen what it ended up being.
    democrats retreated to what we have now because republicans used to support that approach. look at romneycare.
     
    #31     Aug 13, 2012
  2. Lucrum

    Lucrum


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    #32     Aug 13, 2012
  3. Maverick74

    Maverick74

    Hey Free Thinker, my clock is running out of batteries.
     
    #33     Aug 13, 2012
  4. I don't believe in 'utopia'.

    I don't care about gay marriage, but I don't get why they can't just call them civil unions with the same legal benefits.

    Abortion is totally different, while I have said that I can deal with the present law, I would prefer that they weren't allowed except in extenuating circumstances. I said in my previous post that an individuals freedom ends when it violates another persons, in this case the other person is the baby. When the fetus becomes a person I guess is the issue but we know that if the fetus is healthy it is going to be a person. call me crazy, but I just can't condone killing babies. Funny how the left is all about compassion and trying to "reform", not punish criminals, but attack anyone that thinks a baby deserves to be born. Can you explain that to me?
     
    #34     Aug 13, 2012
  5. wjk

    wjk

    Would you have opposed this plan? If so, why?

    http://online.wsj.com/article/SB124277551107536875.html#articleTabs_comments
     
    #35     Aug 13, 2012
  6. This is total bullshit. They had full control of all law making bodies and passed exactly what they wanted to. NOT ONE rep voted for obamacare so really just don't say they did it because it has/had republican support.. that is a retarded, ridiculous lie.
     
    #36     Aug 13, 2012
  7. Brass

    Brass

    I think Obama was wrong before on the marriage issue because I don't give a crap what sheep and goat herders thought 2,000 years ago. I'd like to think that he was just waiting for the right time to announce his current position and had it all along, but I'm okay with his having evolved into it more recently. So, either way, I'm good. But, again, I thought his earlier pronouncement was parochial. Feel better? Gosh, I sure hope so.
     
    #37     Aug 13, 2012
  8. There is one solution, single payer. Rationing is ok and it's the way the system works now. No insurance, no care, see we have rationing now. Evil big brother making health care decisions will probably be better than evil big business making health care decisions.
     
    #38     Aug 13, 2012