Pattern day trading

Discussion in 'Trading' started by fredz, Dec 17, 2002.

  1. fredz


    Someone told me, regarding the pattern day trading rule: "You can day trade on 3 out of 5 days, what or how much is up to you". IB only lets you do 3 day trades in 5 days. So is this still within regulations? I would just be able to day trade 3 days a week then until I have $25k...

  3. You get three "daytrades" within any 5 consecutive trading days. "Daytrade" means selling a stock or option the same day you bought it, or covering the same day you sell a stock short.

    You have to wait until the next day before you close a position, otherwise it counts as one of your 3 daytrades. If you hold overnight you are ok.
  4. fredz


    OK, but why dus allow ANY number of daytrades but just for 3 consecutive days? Does that mean they (realfasttrader) monitor this, and not some kind of organization (NASD or what are they called)? I don't understand why there's such a difference between IB and realfasttrade...
  5. The Pattern Daytrading rule was created by the NASD (National Association of Securities Dealers). Securities are stocks and stock options. NASD sets the rules for trading stocks and stock options.

    FfastTrade ( is a Futures broker. Futures are not securities. Futures are commodities. A different regulatory agency called the CFTC sets the rules for trading commodities. There isn't a daytrading rule for futures.

    You can trade both securities and commodities with IB. IB applies the pattern daytrading restrictions to stocks and stock options, but not to futures.
  6. fredz


    I'm sorry I mean and they are a stock broker...
  7. qdz



    Heard some suggestions. Canadian brokers are not NASD members. They have no PDT restrictions. I was also told that now it is time to move our capital abroad and deversify our dollars to Euros.

  8. I asked the livechathelp at, and the rules are the same there as IB. Here is the text of the chat:

    You are now chatting with 'Customer Service'
    Customer Service: Welcome to our live chat service.
    Customer Service: How may I help you today?
    you: Hi. Can you tell me what the pattern daytrading restriction means? Thanks
    Customer Service: Here is a new page that will help you...
    Customer Service:
    Customer Service: Basically if you have under $25k in your account you can only day trade 3 out of any 5 business days
    you: How many trades can I make?
    Customer Service: 3 day trades in any 5 day period
    Customer Service:
    you: Thank you!
    Customer Service: Read this link
    Customer Service: Thank you for chatting. Good-bye.
    you: bye
    Chat session has been terminated by the site operator.
  9. now why didn't HE do that? these people want their hand held, they will never make it trading, not self assertive enuf.

    i refuse to to do their dirty work anymore.
  10. bobcathy1

    bobcathy1 Guest

    Gee, have a heart.
    You were once a newbie with silly questions.:)
    #10     Dec 17, 2002