Party of 'Law & Order' Rally Around a Convicted Felon

Discussion in 'Politics' started by exGOPer, May 31, 2024.

  1. gwb-trading

    gwb-trading

  2. exGOPer

    exGOPer

    “The 34 felony guilty verdicts returned Thursday against Donald Trump spurred a wave of violent rhetoric aimed at the prosecutors who secured his conviction, the judge who oversaw the case and the ordinary jurors who unanimously agreed there was no reasonable doubt that the presumptive Republican presidential nominee falsified business records related to hush money payments to a porn star to benefit his 2016 campaign,” NBC News reports.
     
    #22     May 31, 2024
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  3. gwb-trading

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    The MAGA nutcases are going after the jurors. I expect it is just a matter of hours before we see a juror (or someone the nutcases believe was a juror) violently attacked. Trump should be held responsible for this -- even his speech today urged violence. This is not really different than January 6th in terms of Trump inciting violence.


    'Dox the Jurors': Trump fans on a mission to make those who convicted him 'miserable'
    https://www.rawstory.com/trump-jurors-dox-miserable/

    With former President Donald Trump convicted on 34 felony counts of falsifying business records this week, his furious supporters are trying to expose the identities of the people who did it.

    According to NBC News, "Advance Democracy, a non-profit that conducts public interest research, said there has been a high volume of social media posts containing violent rhetoric targeting New York Judge Juan Merchan and Manhattan District Attorney Alvin Bragg, including a post with Bragg’s purported home address. The group also found posts of the purported addresses of jurors on a fringe internet message board known for pro-Trump content and harassing and violent posts, although it is unclear if any actual jurors had been correctly identified."

    One user reportedly posted, "Dox the Jurors. Dox them now." Another wrote, “We need to identify each juror. Then make them miserable. Maybe even suicidal.”

    "The posts, which have been reviewed by NBC News, appear on many of the same websites used by Trump supporters to organize for violence ahead of the Jan. 6, 2021, attack on the Capitol," said the report. "These forums were hotbeds of threats inspired by Trump’s lies about the 2020 election, which he lost, and that the voting system was 'rigged' against him. They now feature new threats echoing Trump’s rhetoric and false claims about the hush money trial, including that the judicial system is now 'rigged' against him."

    There is no indication that the jury did not give Trump a fair trial. Indeed, Trump's team complained about the jury pool from the get-go, but was given ample opportunity to strike jurors they considered to be biased.

    Anticipating the risk of this exact scenario, Judge Juan Merchan, the jurist presiding over the case, made the privacy of jurors an utmost priority. He also set a strict gag order that prohibited Trump from attacking witnesses, certain court officers, and their families, which he later found Trump in contempt for violating.
     
    #23     May 31, 2024
  4. poopy

    poopy

    Nearly 40 nations - including Canada and the UK - have strict policies when it comes to allowing individuals with criminal records across their borders, and barring a special accommodation, Trump would be held to those same standards. It’s unclear if he would be allowed to visit if he wins the presidential election in November, but remains a felon.
     
    #24     May 31, 2024
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  5. poopy

    poopy

    1. Argentina
    2. Australia
    3. Brazil
    4. Cambodia
    5. Canada
    6. Chile
    7. China
    8. Cuba
    9. Dominican Republic
    10. Egypt
    11. Ethiopia
    12. Hong Kong
    13. India
    14. Indonesia
    15. Iran
    16. Ireland
    17. Israel
    18. Japan
    19. Kenya
    20. Malaysia
    21. Macau
    22. Mexico
    23. Morocco
    24. Nepal
    25. New Zealand
    26. Peru
    27. Philippines
    28. Singapore
    29. South Africa
    30. South Korea
    31. Taiwan
    32. Tanzania
    33. Tunisia
    34. Turkey
    35. Ukraine
    36. United Arab Emirates
    37. United Kingdom
     
    #25     May 31, 2024
  6. vanzandt

    vanzandt

    Air Force 1 costs about $300K/hour to operate. He's already saving us money. :cool:

    ZM----> $61
     
    #26     May 31, 2024
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  7. Saudi Arabia is not on that list , so he'd go for the gold necklace , and he'll curtsy once again.


     
    #27     Jun 1, 2024
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    #28     Jun 1, 2024
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  9. gwb-trading

    gwb-trading

    Welcome to the State of Washington... where convicted felons, like Donald Trump, can't run for office. I wonder how many other states have laws forbidding felons from running for office?

    Plot twist: WA has a law against felons running for office
    https://www.seattletimes.com/seattl...-has-a-law-against-felons-running-for-office/

    If local Republicans knew what was good for them, they would now move to drop Donald Trump from Washington’s fall ballot.

    I know, they won’t. They’re in too deep. Trump won 76% of our state’s GOP presidential primary vote. It’s become like a cult, as the party seems eager to debase itself by shedding all its longstanding talk about the rule of law and personal responsibility — as well as any chances of winning here in Washington — to sink ever deeper into the muck of Trump.

    So here’s another reason to dump Trump from the Washington ballot. If Republicans don’t do it, somebody else probably will.

    It turns out Washington has a law on the books against convicted felons running for office.

    It was first established back when Washington was a territory, in 1865, that anyone convicted of “infamous crimes” could be blocked from holding elected office. That was modified in 1959, and then again more recently, to the scheme we have today.

    Any registered voter can “challenge the right of a candidate to appear on the general election ballot” for any of five causes, state law says.
    One of those causes is flashing in bold neon lights today: “Because the person whose right is being contested was, previous to the election, convicted of a felony by a court of competent jurisdiction, the conviction not having been reversed nor the person’s civil rights restored after the conviction.”

    How about 34 felonies?

    “I have clients lined up who are going to be all over pursuing a ballot challenge in this case,” says David Vogel, a Seattle attorney and former deputy prosecutor for King County who was briefly involved in an earlier ballot challenge against Trump before the presidential primary.

    I asked the Secretary of State’s Office if there was some reason this provision allowing ballot challenges against convicted felons might not apply in this case. For example, is it only for state and local candidates, not federal?

    They answered: “Whether that provision applies would be a question for courts to decide.”

    States do have latitude to control the ballot. Candidates for president are excluded from Washington’s ballot all the time, though typically it happens to minor-party candidates who didn’t follow filing deadlines or didn’t meet the requirements to hold the office.

    Ohio has been debating whether to bar President Joe Biden from its ballot over a filing deadline issue, so it’s clear states can do such a thing.

    Washington law says a voter can file a challenge once candidates are certified to appear on the fall ballot, which for presidential races typically occurs after the parties’ national nominating conventions in late summer. That voter challenge goes to “any justice of the supreme court, judge of the court of appeals, or judge of the superior court in the proper county,” who, according to state statute, can potentially strip a candidate’s name from ballots prior to the election if they have a felony conviction.

    Hoo boy. Republicans: You sure you want to go down this road?

    It seems possible that under Washington state law, there would be no name listed on ballots as a Republican candidate for president in November. If so, it will be because the party’s chosen candidate was too much of a disgrace to even meet the minimum state standards.

    I wonder if other states bar felons from running, too.

    Regardless of what happens with the ballot, why not change course out of basic decency and political expediency? There’s been plenty of talk urging Democrats to drop Biden and pick another candidate at their nominating convention. And all he’s guilty of is having bad poll numbers and being old.

    Why aren’t Republicans at least considering a different candidate now that theirs is a convicted criminal?

    The reaction from local Republicans this past week though was either misdirection or groveling. Like how mob underlings sound when the boss gets sent to Rikers Island.

    The state GOP chairman, Jim Walsh, attacked the trial as a “clown show.” Congressional candidate and former state Sen. Michael Baumgartner called the charges “flimsy” (though at that point they had become solid convictions) and the setting of New York as “hyperpartisan” (though it was tried there because that’s where the crimes were committed).

    Congressional candidate Tiffany Smiley said darkly they’re coming after “hardworking families” next.

    “It’s Donald Trump today, it could be us tomorrow,” she said.

    If hardworking families are paying off porn stars and hiding the payments to influence an election — then yes, I suppose, they might be coming after you, too.

    Congressional candidate Leslie Lewallen, who is supposedly a sensible moderate in the party, breezily said the verdict “does nothing to disqualify President Trump from holding office, and I look forward to casting my ballot for him in November.”

    One thing conspicuously missing? Nobody said: “He didn’t do it.” Nobody said: “He’s a good man, he’s innocent.”

    Even his staunchest defenders know he did it.

    What happened to you, Republicans?

    Your standard-bearer tried to overturn the 2020 election, and now has been convicted of illegally influencing the 2016 election. His company was convicted of 17 felonies for tax fraud. He also has been found civilly liable for sexual abuse and corporate fraud, and now joins his former campaign manager, deputy campaign manager, national security adviser, multiple former election law attorneys, and a personal lawyer, all as current, or former, felons.

    Sensing a pattern here? As I wrote in December, any time he or his minions go before a judge or a jury, “they have lost. Every single time. That’s the quiet engines of democracy, pushing back.”

    This time, those engines were a 12-citizen jury. The courtroom is different from the campaign trail and the social media spin ecosystem. Facts and evidence still seem to matter there. Ordinary people, the kind who serve on juries, still care.

    It’s embarrassing that even in Washington state, no Republican remaining seems to have the courage or the character of those ordinary people. The real story of this era isn’t so much about this one flawed, narcissistic figure, as it is the spinelessness of the sycophants along the way.

    It’s not too late to pick a different name, to run under a less toxic, now criminal, brand.

    I’ll leave you with this: Of all states to have a law that can kick convicted felons off the ballot, it’s ironic it’s Washington, no? You’d think our progressive state might have been more reform-minded. That the ballot rules might have been recast at some point to extend more mercy and second chances to those who broke bad and got caught in the jaws of the justice system.

    Instead the script has flipped. It’s now the old law-and-order party looking for leniency. As it continues to shed its principles — its entire identity — to follow this one man further into the mire.
     
    #29     Jun 1, 2024
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  10. exGOPer

    exGOPer

    A new Reuters/Ipsos poll finds 10% of Republican registered voters say they are less likely to vote for Donald Trump following his felony conviction for falsifying business records to cover up a hush money payment to a porn star.

    Also important: “Among independent registered voters, 25% said Trump’s conviction made them less likely to support him in November, compared to 18% who said they were more likely and 56% who said the conviction would have no impact on their decision.”

    Playbook: “The numbers stand as counterpoint to the GOP bravado, led by the Trump campaign, about how Trump’s 34 felony convictions and potential jail sentence will have no effect on the election.”
     
    #30     Jun 1, 2024
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