pairs trading

Discussion in 'Prop Firms' started by renegade trader, Aug 1, 2007.

  1. Don,

    Any idea when this is going to happen?
     
    #81     Aug 15, 2007
  2. Put on temporary hold, with all this fun in the market, we'll likely wait until next week.

    Don
     
    #82     Aug 15, 2007
  3. TraDaToR

    TraDaToR

    Hello,

    I am spread trading indexes futures as well( really great since volatility increased:D ... ), but I can't figure out how you manage to spread ER2 / ES??? ES tick is too big to let some profits available to me, or perhaps on a very fast TF but it would be more like pure arb...or are you on a really LT time frame???

    Profits must be very thin on this spread.
     
    #83     Aug 16, 2007
  4. Um.. what's long TF? If 1 - 3 day is long TF, then yes. It might be possible to "scalp" spreads, but it's beyond me. I know my limitations.

    This is NOT arb. Not even close. And the profit (AND loss) potential is anything but thin. You actually couldn't have asked this question on a better day to prove the point. Let's see what happened today:

    Say, you established position yesterday @ close:
    +1 ER2 @ 758.00
    -1 ES @ 1414.00
    Basically you are long a smallcap basket worth 758*100 = 75,800 and short a largecap basket worth 1414*50 = 70,700. OK, not a perfect hedge, but close enough.

    Cover today @ close
    -1 ER2 @ 774.30
    +1 ES @ 1424.75

    P&L = (774.30 - 758.00)*100 - (1414.00 - 1424.75)*50 = 2167.50 - commission

    And all this on one pair of emini. If you were on the wrong side? Well... :eek:

    Honestly, this is one of the most extraordinarily volatile day I have seen so far as far as the spread is concerned. It just does not happen regularly.
     
    #84     Aug 16, 2007
  5. Don't like using e's in any of our type pairs trading. Baskets vs. SPY is done by a very few, and we're not real fans of that either. We like having some confidence in our research of fundamentals.

    FWIW,

    Don
     
    #85     Aug 17, 2007