Pairs Trading Strategy Model

Discussion in 'Strategy Building' started by Neutral_Al, Sep 5, 2002.

  1. Neil

    Neil

    I think one problem here is that people often define for themselves the meaning of something.. pairs trading clearly means different things to different folks... its impossible to declare anything definitive this being the case really... some regard it as 'statistical arbitrage' or something... whatever the hell that is.. dont tell me please! sounds way to complicated for me.. and anyway there is little to compare between intra day pairs trading and swing based pairs trading.. so many other examples also..

    For myself, I am now trading a portfolio of sector based pairs.. chosen by basic ta for strong longs and weak shorts... swinging as long as they take... and have been doing better this year since I started than any of my trading previously, which was mostly daytrading..... so its too varied in my opinion to draw any meaningfull conclusions... altho it is clearly true that it has little interest to people here.. who seem mostly devoted to swift trading and rapid profits.. no idea what happened to those who were posting earlier, hopefully they have thriven and prospered and are too content and happy to bother posting here.. :)
     
    #471     Apr 16, 2004
  2. mind

    mind


    up 1,9% for first quarter. not much downside, not much upside. boring, boring.
     
    #472     Apr 20, 2004
  3. m&m&m

    m&m&m

    In PairsTrading you just trade pairs of something that used to behave similarly and at the moment for some reason there is a gap in them. Let’s concentrate just on stocks (though you also can trade options, futures, currencies… whatever).
    Even just with the stocks there could be numerous if not infinity of possible strategies – when you open the position? when you close it? and what you actually do when there is a gap? You may guess that this particular gap will shrink, but another one will get bigger, so you can play trend in that case.
    So, if some particular sub-strategy does not work, one can’t say the whole PT does not work. No – just THIS strategy does not work. And maybe even never worked – have you tested it before going into it?
    Here is a latest article on CBOT about PT.
    http://www.cbot.com/cbot/pub/cont_detail/0,3206,1070+18827,00.html
     
    #473     Apr 28, 2004
  4. I know lots of people who backtest and develop systems, and not one of them makes any money trading. On the other hand, my actual trades demonstrate that I having many winning strategies, that produce consistent, daily, results. And that is all that really matters!


    Mike
     
    #474     Apr 28, 2004
  5. m&m&m

    m&m&m

    So, how is it dead then? :confused:
    Result is all that matters, right?
     
    #475     Apr 28, 2004
  6. Hi all,

    I saw the thread active again. Here is my update...
    I finished the year with 24% gain doing pairs trading exclusively. This year I am up 7.4% so far with the Sharpe ratio of 5.
    As far as death of pairs trading, I think it is more alive than ever. When I started a couple of years ago, I was able to find only a couple of articles on the subject. Today there are dozens of articles and books on trading pairs. Even the main stream Industry publication such as Futures Magazine features an article on pairs trading this month. http://www.futuresmag.com/library/contents.html
    Get a copy, educate yourselves…
    What looks dead, however, is the action of pairs trading. It is slow and boring. Just the way I like it.

    Good luck to all,
    Al
     
    #476     Apr 30, 2004
  7. Why are you encouraging others to arb away your edge?
     
    #477     May 2, 2004
  8. What are some of the pairs that you trade? its all equities right? Any pairs you would like to share?
     
    #478     May 2, 2004
  9. mind

    mind


    that is very, very good figures. you are trading systematic? intraday?

    good trading
     
    #479     May 2, 2004
  10. Hello,


    24% of what amount of capital, if I may ask? thanks



     
    #480     May 2, 2004