Pair Trading Strategy Journal

Discussion in 'Journals' started by jonnysharp, Aug 18, 2008.

  1. spindr0

    spindr0

    The edge is where you find it not where you think it isn't.
     
    #821     Apr 8, 2009
  2. NYC212

    NYC212


    wondering the same thing. too bad no used copies on amazon for pennies on the dollar.



    pair and mental question, how do you guys handle the large swings in PnL during the day as your pairs are working?

    today, I was up $900 early on, dropped to down $500 and then finished up about $200.

    all my trades were pairs today pretty much. just wondering how does one stomach the big movements on PnL?
     
    #822     Apr 8, 2009
  3. quannabe

    quannabe

    There are only 3 ways to increase return on capital: Lower expenses(commissions, rebates, entry/losses etc.); asset turnover, and good old fashioned leverage. If you're uneasy about the PnL swings, your size is too much for "you" probably.

    Here's my .02: Cut your size by 1/3, and start aggressively scalping around your core. If you can maintain your return on capital with less size, your business is better off.

    When I do my ROE comps for RV arbitrage, I always penalize the stocks whose CEOs juice returns with leverage. Any monkey can goose return levering up. Premiums are awarded for asset turnover and margins. Cheers...






    pair and mental question, how do you guys handle the large swings in PnL during the day as your pairs are working?

    today, I was up $900 early on, dropped to down $500 and then finished up about $200.

    all my trades were pairs today pretty much. just wondering how does one stomach the big movements on PnL? [/B][/QUOTE]
     
    #823     Apr 8, 2009
  4. Art of the arb is general pairs trading intraday using simple straight forward strategies and it also contains recaps of Rob and Steve's thoughts showing Position Blotters and recaps of trading days back in 2002 and 2003. Which I found most helpful when I was starting out. The main points of the whole manual are to fade bollinger band moves in pairs and do it over and over again. It's a good read, but now much of it is outdated.
     
    #824     Apr 9, 2009
  5. I would be very interested if you could expand on this. Similar to the previous poster, I have tested a handful of intraday pairs and did not find it to be profitable....
     
    #825     Apr 9, 2009
  6. spindr0

    spindr0

    This kind of reminds me of the swing traders who say that people should swing trade because you can't make money day trading. People should trade what they see and feel comfortable with.
     
    #826     Apr 9, 2009
  7. So your a discretionary intraday pairs trader?
     
    #827     Apr 9, 2009
  8. spindr0

    spindr0

    I don't fit neatly into a label. My pairs aren't always pairs since they can have more than two legs. They tend to be dynamic in that they can be open for days or weeks but I tend to trade the components intraday... well, as much as possible. The legs can change as well. Some days I'm busy all day shuffling componets in and out. Other days, it's like watching paint dry :)

    The legs can change as well. I also shift my bias during the day, going more long or short, depending on what I see. But by the end of the day, I'm back close to what I believe to be a neutral ratio.

    Obviously, one is chasing the spread b/t the components. But another general idea is to try take profits on the winning side, substitute another leg (restoring the pair) and hold paper losses, waiting (hoping?) for a contraction. Some prefer to do the opposite but AFAIK, you book profits and hope to recover losses rather than the converse. Market reverses help you with the former, kill you with the latter.

    Details are not available :)
     
    #828     Apr 9, 2009
  9. No understandable. Good approach especially if you have decent skill calling direction...
     
    #829     Apr 9, 2009
  10. Exited trade

    Sold THG @ 31.94
    Covered PTP @ 30.07

    New trade

    Long PUK @ 10.44
    Short AXA @ 15.37
     
    #830     Apr 10, 2009