I had been trading pairs on my own apart from this thread and noticed it recently. Thought I would throw my two cents in since everyone is sharing ideas. One thing that has helped me in timing entries and exits (I do not use the software discussed here) is when I have a good pair with good correlation, I programmed Thinkorswim to chart the ratio of the pair and then I slapped a long-term Bollinger Band indicator over it with about 60 day moving average and plus or minus 2 standard deviations. When the ratio goes outside the bands I fade the pair and it has worked out well for me. (Do not have statistics but on actual trades and backtested trades it continues to work well. The primary key is having a good list of pairs which is the research part. This is where the individual skill really comes in and what factors you use to keep or disregard a pair. I cannot scan so I manually check my pairs for signals which does not take that long but I found this to work well. Took a while to program it but I get a great visual when to enter and when to exit if you are familiar with BBs
Oh man, now you are beginning to scare me. Not just you johnny but everyone else too with all this analisys. This divided by that and that divided by this. Oh man let's keep this simple. Buy low sell high. If you are gonna look at one chart for a decision look at the pair ratio chart and how it behaves around the mean. If you have a wavy pattern, awesome, if not and the ratio looks like it has a strong trend stay away or just trade the trend. Thousands of trades later, I finally learned. This is a simple game to play. Just have to keep the rules simple. Also much easier on the psycie.
To anyone actively using pairs strategy, how do you guys go about handling dividends, in regards to the short end of the pair?
Yah, well, thanks, but I took some losses soon after my post. "Pride goeth before a fall." My profit is down to $3200. I'm not complaining, but thought I'd be straight with you guys. One large loss was a short on BARC (Barclay), a financial. The day after I sold it short, good news came out, and I cut my loss at $800 (on $2500 investment). I learned to stay away from financials, as someone posted earlier on this thresd. I ignored the advice. Financials have too much possibility for individual stocks to issue good or bad news in this climate. Foolish mistake. But I learned something. Thanks for the nice remarks. I'm a little gun shy now. Walt B
Thanks for this, Jonny. I'll try to put it into practice. I'll add it to by worksheet spreadsheet. I don't understand what you mean by "fade that direction." Also Saico's tip about avoiding pairs that resist going into the top 1/3. "...that resists at least in the upper 3rd of its recent 150 days trading range seems to be optimal. " But Saico, I'm not clear on what you mean by the top 1/3 of the recent 150 days trading range. Could you be more specific? Walt B
Hi Walt, I was actually refering to a kind of overbought/oversold scenario. But found out over the weekend that this has no validation for the ratio chart. Sorry for making things that complicated. But nevertheless I did another major change. I scanned my sectors completely new and filtered pairs as you mentioned couple days ago. Here are my filter criterias. - I only took pairs with stocks that are in the same sector. ( 1 small excemption was some pairs with tech stocks.) - Average correlation atleast 65% - Minimum profit average per trade 800 USD (Assuming 10k per side) - Consistent profitable trades around the profit average. Very view and small losers (1-2) during the backtest period of 365 days. - Stock price >5 USD. The result was that I got around 50 top high quality pairs. Thats more than enough for me and my account. By the way I dont mind sharing these pairs even its been kinda hard work to filter them out. But I owe this thread a lot and therefore I dont care to give something back. All who are interested may pm me. Saico