Pair Trading Strategy Journal

Discussion in 'Journals' started by jonnysharp, Aug 18, 2008.

  1. R1234

    R1234


    I'm not a stock trader so forgive me if this is a silly question.

    How important is it to not take trades where you'll be short the dividend payer?

    Can it blow out your trade if you do?

    And how do you know when a stock will pay divdidends?

    Thanks.
     
    #1231     Jun 18, 2009
  2. Depends on the amount of dividend paid. See earnings.com.
     
    #1232     Jun 18, 2009
  3. Passed KNX:ODFL, earnings ODFL next week
    Passed PCL:RYN, dont like the downgrade on PCL
    Passed NDN:BEBE

    Seth: "What do you mean, you're gonna pass. Alan, the only people making money passing are N.F.L. Quarterbacks and I don't see a number on your back."
     
    #1233     Jun 18, 2009
  4. irucken

    irucken

    JonnySharp

    In the fall of 2008 you reported that you were not pairs trading as a way of making your living, but rather for growth of capital.

    If you dont mind my asking, is that still the case or are you trading full time?
    If not, how much time would you estimate you invest each day on average for your current rate of performance?

    You still have a great thread here, btw.

    Many thanks
     
    #1234     Jun 18, 2009
  5. EDU/EPAX?
     
    #1235     Jun 19, 2009
  6. Congrats on this trade and in general. Per my notes after almost a year you should be up big!

    I do have one question. At one point I had 17 straight winners. I noticed the average win on my winners was smaller then your average despite the average loss size being similar, so i decided possibly i was being too conservative on the patterns i was looking for and decided to try to be a little more aggressive. Since then, my win rate is still pretty high but I have had a number of large losing trades. Most of these were entered into between 4/30 and 5/6.

    Meanwhile, despite the big win above, it looks like you had pretty big losers in dac/sb,inn/bucy, met/pru. Interestingly they were all entered into in the same timeframe that I had my worst trades and they were completely different trades.

    It got me thinking....was there something potentially unusual in the market during that week or two that we could learn from that created unusual trade entry conditions? It seems more than coincidental that we both made completely different trades in the same time periods that were among our worst trades in several months.

    Any thoughts?
     
    #1236     Jun 20, 2009
  7. spindr0

    spindr0

    Hey Don,

    I was thinking the same thing about using options so that Black Swan events would be a non event... tho I was initially thinking more along the lines of buying OTM protection for the equity position rather than ITM legs. On second thought, ITM with a good amount of time until expiration might have more merit due to the residual premium if the either underlying doesn't cooperate.

    I was also thinking that buying the opposing option at the same strike (OTM) would also be a possible buy as protection since it would be relatively cheap, particularly if it was of shorter duration.

    For example, ABC is at 40 and XYZ at 60. Instead of buying ABC at 40 and shorting XYZ at 60, perhaps buy the ABC 35c and the XYZ 65p for the pair. The protection would be buying the ABC 35p and the XYZ 65c. As long as the pair components move significantly, the premium decay wouldn't be much of an issue. W/O that movement, buying double straddles would be a problem. I guess this is another investigation to put on my "to do" list :)

    I haven't read much of the 200+ pages posted so apologies if this is an obvious question. For the regulars, are you trading equal lots on both sides of your pairs (1 to 1) or are you ratioing them in some fashion? Thx
     
    #1237     Jun 20, 2009
  8. Spin,
    I'll have to give a little more thought to your double straddle idea, but if that could be done with minimum time value it sounds worthwhile.

    I've done a couple of plays with ITM contracts and I am pretty happy with the results. One pair went against me pretty hard and my losses were significantly less than if I used stock alone. One of my current pairs has a simulated short on Palm using ITM puts and sleeping at night is a lot easier than if I had short stock. Rumors are flying that Palm is an attractive takeover target.

    As far as your "equal lots" question I think most of the traders here use equal dollars on each side which, of course, means different lot sizes.

    BTW, as a very savvy options guy you will understand how the ITM delta curve works to your advantage. For the benefit of others that curve basically means that if the pairs move together the options can be profitable where the equivalent stock method has no profit. Of course options have many disadvantages, so unless you are savvy I suggest you stay away.

    Don
     
    #1238     Jun 20, 2009
  9. Got out of my IWO:IJH at 4 times away from my stop, well done.
    Putting me back on red.
     
    #1239     Jun 22, 2009
  10. tatankas

    tatankas

    What was your stop?

    How are you setting your stops?
     
    #1240     Jun 22, 2009