Our Next President

Discussion in 'Politics' started by Yannis, Mar 28, 2008.

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    #71     Apr 28, 2008
  2. Yannis

    Yannis

    Exactly! That's pretty funny, thanks, couldn't have said it better myself!! Don't let the little rat lead you astray, Monty, stay away from him!! :) :) :)
     
    #72     Apr 28, 2008
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    Think you are right ,monty21, on the 9/11 nationality;
    don't know''why we don't'' go against Saudi Arabia??? Think it maybe because seemed like Iraq /Hussein was a bigger threat, so you may remember military bases were in Saudi Arabia,Desert Storm.

    Dont know any that consider Senator Clinton the ''Christian right'';
    but she she also voted for the Iraq war.Frankly i pay attention to voting records rather than cheap talk.Talk is cheap.

    Actually,the Rapture is not considered the ''end of the world'' by evangelicals.Think you are right on most evangelicals supporting just war, war on terror, Israeli Defence Forces.....

    :cool:
     
    #73     Apr 28, 2008
  4. Gord

    Gord

    Monty

    Yannis is giving you good advise. I'll just add that you need to expand your horizons beyond the typical liberal dross you are obviously being spoon fed in school. Stop being a sponge and start to challenge everything. Look at both sides. Stick to facts and ignore unsupported assertions, and even then look at the other side's arguments as well.

    There is still hope for you, but you need to act, and stop being passive with what you are taught.
     
    #74     Apr 28, 2008
  5. My college has never advocated that I vote for a certain candidate or that I must belong/ adhere to any political party. My education is unbiased because I have professors that belong to both the Democrat and Republican parties.

    I also certainly do not get all of my information from college. I watch the news as well, but try to stay away from the big media corporations because I think they are completely biased. I do like BBC, however, even though it may have a liberal lean. But I certainly do not base my opinions on one source as well. There are also times when I actually compare coverage of the same story by FOX and then also by Al Jazeera.

    About the whole Republican question, I do not understand how you can just label me a hardcore liberal just because I do not support the war. So every Republican must support the war and the surge? That is nonsense.

    I am just criticizing the current foreign policy. I do not support the Republican candidate either because he supports more war in Iraq and potentially Iran. McCain is the character that cannot admit defeat. Think about Vietnam. He called the result neutral. I think we lost that war, because the communists certainly took over and we were unable to stop their advance. Please realize that Iraq is just another Vietnam. Please tell me what progress we have made in Iraq. Please answer this, “has the world become a safer place since we invaded Iraq”?

    You sound like an ignorant old man that cannot change his views. You were probably that person like McCarthy who saw communism as the biggest threat to the U.S. All of those claims were highly exaggerated. America always needs an enemy to pursue its own interests. Otherwise, how would occupying Iraq be justified. We certainly did not go in there because of human rights violations alone. Why are we not full force in the Sudan or Zimbabwe – people are getting slaughtered there every day. Where are those weapons of mass destruction. Don't you realize that the Bush adminstration/neo-cons had planned out the invastion or Iraq before 9/11?

    Please realize the connections between the Bush administration and defense companies. Was Cheney never the CEO of Halliburton? Do you not realize that the tax money is being funneled to corporations like Halliburton? We go into Iraq and blow up there bridges. Then we have American tax money being paid to Halliburton to rebuild those bridges. Do you not see Bush’s oil connections? Have you ever heard of the Carlyle Group?

    All I ask is for you to realize that I criticizing this foreign policy because we are certainly not winning the war. More lives are being lost. We may have 3000+ American lives lost, but think about all the innocent Iraqi’s that have also died. We have created a civil war in Iraq.
     
    #75     Apr 28, 2008
  6. 10 things you should know about John McCain (but probably don't):

    John McCain voted against establishing a national holiday in honor of Dr. Martin Luther King, Jr. Now he says his position has "evolved," yet he's continued to oppose key civil rights laws.

    According to Bloomberg News, McCain is more hawkish than Bush on Iraq, Russia and China. Conservative columnist Pat Buchanan says McCain "will make Cheney look like Gandhi."

    His reputation is built on his opposition to torture, but McCain voted against a bill to ban waterboarding, and then applauded President Bush for vetoing that ban.

    McCain opposes a woman's right to choose. He said, "I do not support Roe versus Wade. It should be overturned."

    The Children's Defense Fund rated McCain as the worst senator in Congress for children. He voted against the children's health care bill last year, then defended Bush's veto of the bill.

    He's one of the richest people in a Senate filled with millionaires. The Associated Press reports he and his wife own at least eight homes! Yet McCain says the solution to the housing crisis is for people facing foreclosure to get a "second job" and skip their vacations.

    Many of McCain's fellow Republican senators say he's too reckless to be commander in chief. One Republican senator said: "The thought of his being president sends a cold chill down my spine. He's erratic. He's hotheaded. He loses his temper and he worries me."

    McCain talks a lot about taking on special interests, but his campaign manager and top advisers are actually lobbyists. The government watchdog group Public Citizen says McCain has 59 lobbyists raising money for his campaign, more than any of the other presidential candidates.

    McCain has sought closer ties to the extreme religious right in recent years. The pastor McCain calls his "spiritual guide," Rod Parsley, believes America's founding mission is to destroy Islam, which he calls a "false religion." McCain sought the political support of right-wing preacher John Hagee, who believes Hurricane Katrina was God's punishment for gay rights and called the Catholic Church "the Antichrist" and a "false cult."

    He positions himself as pro-environment, but he scored a 0—yes, zero—from the League of Conservation Voters last year.

    Please visit the following site and scroll down to see the sources: http://pol.moveon.org/mccain10/email.html
     
    #76     Apr 28, 2008
  7. Gord

    Gord

    You think television is a legitimate source for serious information?!? [​IMG] No wonder you are so misinformed.

    Your foreign policy assertions are right out of the Democrat playbook talking points - liberal.


    This is just another example of your ignorance. [​IMG] There was a peace agreement in force until the Democrat congress unilaterally cut funding and support to the South Viet Namese. The North then took advantage of this, and because of foreign policy that you espouse millions of peoples in various countries died.

    I have already illustrated that you are ignorant about the Viet Nam war. And implementing your foreign policy to Iraq would produce the same result - millions dead.

    Yes it is obvious you get your news from television... [​IMG]

    Communism was the biggest threat to the US up until the end of the Cold War. Your statement tells me you are young and (unsurprisingly) taught by Marxist professors.

    This is a typical tactic of liberals - make a slew of wild assertions that would take pages and pages to refute, so as to divert from the fact they have no substance to answer arguments put to them.

    What do you want me to do - write you a textbook?!? [​IMG] You are such a typical liberal.

    Bullcrap! You are a liberal. You have no arguements. All you have done in this thread is make more and more assertions with no substantive evidence to support them. I am not going to write an encyclopedia series just to address your Democrat talking points.

    I sure hope you are not a typical example of graduates from your college - you think you know things, but you actually have no clue... [​IMG]
     
    #78     Apr 28, 2008
  8. Your still caught up against the liberal arguement.

    A conservative does not have to support a war. I am traditionally a Republican, but will not vote for McCain because he supports the war. Maybe if a Republican candidate like Ron Paul were chosen, then I would certainly vote for him.

    The most important current issue for me is to stop the war, so I will vote for any candidate that adheres to that as well.

    I dont care to always vote on party lines. I am willing for the Democrats to raise taxes as long as we change our foriegn policy.
     
    #79     Apr 28, 2008
  9. Gord

    Gord

    You keep claiming that you are a Republican as if that excuses your ignorance and liberalism. Sorry it doesn't. Just like a typical liberal you have no substance. You make all kinds of Democrat talking point assertions with no evidence to back them up, and when I argue them down you ignore it. Take the Viet Nam example:

    You claimed Iraq was like Viet Nam and that America lost the war in Viet Nam. This you calim as your justification for surrendering in Iraq. I explained that you were wrong and that the foreign policy you espouse for Iraq is the same as what the Democrats did with Viet Nam that caused the deaths of millions of people.

    And what did you do with my argument? Did you do what a senior with a major in political science and minor in international relations should do? Did you go investigate whether what I said was true? No. Just like liberal you completely ignored what I said and repeat that you still wish to implement the same policy which would result in millions more deaths.

    You can claim that you are whatever you wish, but the truth is that you are a liberal, and not a very smart one at that.
     
    #80     Apr 28, 2008