OTC options

Discussion in 'Options' started by Aquarians, Dec 8, 2016.

  1. I can show you a 50 / 51.5 mkt, in the case you have shown...

    Obv, this is based on a hypothetical case where there is a reasonably liquid mkt for the underlying and vanilla calls and puts.
     
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    #41     Dec 8, 2016
  2. Tibster

    Tibster

    Why not build a synthetic short and add some OTM call and puts to cap it?

    Long put + Short call ATM
    Long call OTM
    Short put OTM
     
    #42     Dec 8, 2016
  3. sle

    sle

    I was going to provide some thoughts on the topic (since I have traded OTC products for some 15 years both as MM and as a PM) but after reading my only comment is LOL.

    PS. To get an ISDA these days you need 150+ AUM
     
    #43     Dec 8, 2016
  4. Come on, make a mkt for the man, sle... We could do some damage here.
     
    #44     Dec 8, 2016
  5. sle

    sle

    Could you give me the terms and the size plz? :)
     
    #45     Dec 8, 2016
  6. >> Tibster: Why not build a synthetic short and add some OTM call and puts to cap it?

    Because I want to buy or sell those options myself :)

    >> sle: I was going to provide some thoughts on the topic (since I have traded OTC products for some 15 years both as MM and as a PM) but after reading my only comment is LOL.

    Well, please develop on that League of Legends (LOL).
     
    #46     Dec 8, 2016
  7. Sig

    Sig

    I'm with sle on this one, you want something for nothing and you don't seem to grasp that you do. If you want capped risk you're gonna pay for it. The amount you're gonna pay is at least as much but probably more than the synthetic options to achieve the same thing that have been presented to you. Anything else violates risk free arbitrage and no one is going of offer to be on the losing end of that. We all get what you want, it's just not achievable.
    Have you looked at spreads on Nadex, they're a good example?
     
    #47     Dec 8, 2016
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  8. JackRab

    JackRab

    It's called the 40-60 strangle and at that IV will trade around 15 cents... The 40 put will be 0.05@0.10 and the 60 call at 0.01@0.05

    And that's probably what @Martinghoul means with the price of the capping instrument.

    So if you're talking about a capped CFD (mind you a CFD is just a different name for a future)... in that example the spot is 50 and the 1-month-10%-capped-spot/cfd/future is 50.15.

    You're not getting anything for free mate...
     
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    #48     Dec 9, 2016
  9. I still think you don't understand what I'm proposing, but that's also my problem for not explaining it right. I'll refine the idea and put in in a written form (i.e. publish an article), get back to you and see where it goes.
     
    #49     Dec 9, 2016
  10. CBC

    CBC

    Na we got. You want your own specific OTC option derivative product that will cap your loses at a certain level.
     
    #50     Dec 9, 2016