Order busting

Discussion in 'Order Execution' started by NoMoreOptions, Jan 12, 2005.

  1. you have to love buying a $20 stock for a penny lol
     
    #31     Jan 21, 2005
  2. mnx

    mnx

    lucky man! arca busts my trades all the time... which ecn was it on? was it in the arca market auction or did someone take your bid at another time?

    mnx
     
    #32     May 18, 2005
  3. sprstpd

    sprstpd

    ARCA and INET have both busted trades on me days late. I complain to my broker when this happens and they tell me they were informed late and there is nothing I can do. If I were to try to bust days late, I doubt I would get much sympathy from ARCA or INET. These ECNs say one thing (i.e., their "official" busting policies) and do another. For example:

    Recently I accidentally submitted a clearly erroneous buy order in the aftermarket on INET (> 3% off the close). I was filled before I could cancel and I immediately called in to bust it. My bust request was rejected even though there was no news on the stock and it did not trade the rest of the aftermarket.

    Recently I shorted some shares of a stock on ARCA that were not bustable according to the rules on their website. They busted the trade anyway. My response was, "If that is a bustable trade, then modify your policy so I know the true bustable parameters." I never heard back from ARCA on this suggestion.

    Maybe one time or two times I can handle obvious inequities in the busting process, but it has happened so many times now that I just accept that the process is rigged.
     
    #33     May 18, 2005
  4. Bob111

    Bob111

    that exactly my point , but i believe -it all depends how big the boy on other side. those bastards for some reason can use their time machine and we are not. example-good news is out- shock shoot up-you short it AH. if next day stock traded higher-he will keep the stock and smile, if stock traded at same level, like yesterday-he will call and bust trade. it win win situation for him,and if you do same thing-you order will be busted. happends many times.
     
    #34     May 18, 2005
  5. It was ARCA on a really obscure stock. I have my theories about it, but , apparantly by the time they noticed it, it was too late to bitch.
     
    #35     May 19, 2005
  6. Choad

    Choad

    I think the busting "process" and rules should be the next thing the SEC looks into.

    Trade busting sure seemes rigged against the small guy. And what the hell is "away from the market?" The market is where the last trade was! If some bozo, even me, sends in a bad limit way above or below and it trades - that's too freakin bad. I'll take the responsibility for my own f-ups.

    Busting the first trade for pretty much any reason they want is bad enough, but NOT busting resultant trades based on the first one really sux.

    I don't know if the SEC or whoever could change things without screwing things up, but the whole busting deal sure seems ripe for abuse.
     
    #36     May 19, 2005
  7. tomcole

    tomcole

    I dont understand why you dont get a lawyer and sue. I had a broker bust a trade on me a few years ago saying blah, blah, blah - the stock had doubled in 2 days, and I was pulling my account from them after settlement. The broker thought since the account was leaving he could bust it and then claim I couldnt settle. This would put the profit in his pocket, by the way.

    My lawyer sued, we went to arbitration, we demand all records for 5 years on busted trades, suddenly the broker is calling and says it was an admin oversight, heres your money.

    Get a lawyer and sue is good advice.
     
    #37     May 25, 2005
  8. There were a huge # of bad trades going off a while back pre market. Went on for months. I would think almost all were busted.

    Don't watch that carefully anymore.
     
    #38     May 27, 2005