Optionsellers.com goes bust and the apology video is painful to watch

Discussion in 'Wall St. News' started by Sweet Bobby, Nov 17, 2018.

  1. themickey

    themickey

    #31     Nov 17, 2018
  2. Pardon my ignorance. I don't trade natural gas. I am wondering why was it so difficult to get out of this trade.

    My understanding about futures is that there are different contracts for different months. Suppose the NG contract for X month expiry goes limit up, why can't the trader hedge his losses using NG contracts for Y month expiry? How did optionsellers.com get caught so badly?
     
    #32     Nov 17, 2018
  3. themickey

    themickey

    November is nearly always a bullish month, would they have been short NG in Nov?
     
    #33     Nov 18, 2018
  4. ET180

    ET180

    Really hard to watch that video. They say that the lessons that one pays the most to learn are the lessons that they learn the best. I hope he's able to find another good opportunity.
     
    #34     Nov 18, 2018
  5. PJB1994

    PJB1994

    It is hard to watch but he not only lost EVERYTHING in his investors’ accounts, but these investors now also owe thousands, even tens of thousands or more to FC Stone. He marketed his product as safe due to diversification and strict risk management. He made fun of people who said risk was unlimited because those people just didn’t know how to manage it. His fees were exorbitant for this “expertise.”

    Many people also invested IRA money which is now less than zero. Aren’t there special rules when dealing with IRA’s? How do they even bring those accounts back to zero - with after tax dollars? Can those losses be tax deductible?

    People who invested with him were not looking for massive returns, rather for diversification. That was his whole sales pitch - he aims for singles and never even swings for triples or home runs. Talk about a massive, massive failure. The losses he caused are likely in the 100s of millions.
     
    #35     Nov 18, 2018
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  6. JSOP

    JSOP

    OMG!!! This guy should be on suicide watch. It looks like he hasn't slept and has been crying for like hours and this video looks like his suicide note to all of his clients. He has a wife and a son that sounds like a child. I hope he thinks of them and still tries to be strong just for their sake. He needs to be prepared for what's coming. All those clients that he's speaking so fondly to are suing the hedge fund and its broker. https://www.johnschapman.com/investment-fraud/optionsellers-investment-loss-recovery/

    Can't believe. This guy's been doing options for 20 years since 1999. He's a regular contributor on Marketwatch telling people why options on crude has never failed investors. And he's a regular contributor to CNN, Wall Street Journal, CNBC, etc. And he has published his book year after year "Complete Guide to Option Selling" on sale on amazon.ca. How can he not know the potentially unlimited risk of naked short options??!!!
     
    #36     Nov 18, 2018
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  7. JSOP

    JSOP

    He basically went all-in, fully leveraged on a naked short call on CL futures and got into a "short squeeze" due to a rogue wave and it was apparently so intense so fast that it wiped their entire fund and got margin-called by their broker so now not only he lost every single penny of all of 290 of his clients, his clients now even owe money to the broker of hedge fund.
     
    #37     Nov 18, 2018
  8. I don't understand why clients are suing the hedge fund. Why are clients suing the fund since the fund is already bankrupt?

    Even if clients win the case, they won't be able to extract money from a bankrupt entity.
     
    #38     Nov 18, 2018
  9. JSOP

    JSOP

    No this is how it eventually ends for ALL premium selling firms who do not manage risk properly.
     
    #39     Nov 18, 2018
  10. themickey

    themickey

    Optionsellers.com must have totally lost the plot.
    It appears they threw all their years of experience, teaching, guidance, risk systems and common sense out the window, with this resultant mess.
    What's the lesson to all lesser mortals such as us?
    If the biggest brains blow up, what hope is there for us dweebs, will we too suffer the same fate of committing financial suicide through madness?
    It's like Jesus committing burglary.
     
    #40     Nov 18, 2018
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