Optionsellers.com goes bust and the apology video is painful to watch

Discussion in 'Wall St. News' started by Sweet Bobby, Nov 17, 2018.

  1. themickey

    themickey

    The oil spike down which was mentioned in the video, that occured on the 13th of this month and caught me by surprise. (I was flat oil stocks). Just prior it appeared oil was bottoming from my analysis and the spike I think caught the wider market off guard. A small black swan or blowoff bottom event.
    So according to the video the oil move loss caused Optionsellers.com to place a revenge trade on NG.
     
    #141     Nov 18, 2018
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  2. PJB1994

    PJB1994

    Thank you. Does it make a difference that it was a Self-Directed & 1031 IRA?
     
    #142     Nov 18, 2018
  3. smallfil

    smallfil

    Your attorney probably, can give you better advice than me. One last thing, you can consider filing a complaint with the Securities and Exchange Commission which is in charge of the brokers too. Consult your attorney on what is the best approach. Just throwing one more idea out to discuss with your attorney. Good luck.
     
    #143     Nov 18, 2018
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  4. PJB1994

    PJB1994


    Just found this on https://www.managedfuturesinvesting.com/can-i-go-short-in-my-ira-account/ Doesn't look very good ....

    Selling Naked Options
    You can trade options in an equity IRA account, but you are not allowed to sell naked calls or puts. When trading futures, you can sell naked calls or puts on futures in your IRA account. Furthermore, when investing in CTAs via managed futures, some CTAs may employ strategies that call for naked option selling. While these naked selling strategies are risky, they are permitted in your IRA account.
     
    #144     Nov 18, 2018
  5. JSOP

    JSOP

    Schwab is dumb. It doesn't even allow covered option writing or option spreads or option buying which are all allowed in IRA. In actuality, investment in options in any form is allowed even naked option writing as options is not on the list of prohibited investment under IRS which is the only governmental body that sets the rules as to what is and what is not allowed in an IRA. The only reason why naked option writing with margin is generally prohibited in an IRA is it could trigger UBTI taxes because it's considered borrowing from an IRA. Some brokers might even allow naked option selling if it's 100% cash secured and no leveraged margin. IRA custodians do have the right to allow or restrict whatever investments that goes into an IRA even if it's allowed by the IRS.
     
    #145     Nov 19, 2018
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  6. JSOP

    JSOP

    OMG!! Didn't know that they even allow naked option selling on futures. That is very weird considering futures is far riskier than stocks.

    Ok so that means both FC Stone and Midland are off the hook. The only ones you can get are optionsellers.com and James Cordier for reckless trading, trading in investment inappropriate for client's risk tolerance, not properly advising clients' risk due to negligence, violation of fiduciary duty and duty of care to clients if he told you personally he will only do vertical spreads and iron condors but he was engaging exclusively in naked shorting.
     
    #146     Nov 19, 2018
  7. JSOP

    JSOP

    Whether you use the after-tax dollars and can write it off as a capital loss, that I am not sure, you would have to double-check with an accountant. I think it would depend on the type of your IRA account. You owe FC Stone because Cordier acted with POA from you so it's as if you traded out of your IRA account personally with margin provided to you by FC Stone if you stated that optionsellers.com did not even operate as a hedge fund which we all thought it did and traded directly on behalf of its clients.
     
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    #147     Nov 19, 2018
  8. PJB1994

    PJB1994

    I know! Who the hell made that law? Makes zero sense as I agree that futures are far risker than stocks and when paired with options, seems even more risky. I think I'm basically screwed. The losses are likely in the hundreds of millions (290 clients with minimum $500k to $10 million each all wiped out PLUS the damn debit balances). It's bad enough that the money from the accounts is gone, but having to pay a debit balance is excruciating. OptionSellers is a small shop with just a handful of traders so I honestly don't know how much they have. The severity of this guy's screw up is stunning.
     
    #148     Nov 19, 2018
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  9. Mpeter

    Mpeter

     
    #149     Nov 19, 2018
  10. PJB1994

    PJB1994

    In his video, he said "hedge fund" but I don't believe that is true. He had POA to trade out of each individual account. As far as writing off the capital loss for the IRA, I will speak to my accountant. Unreal. It will be interesting to see how FC Stone reports the losses - would it even differentiate between the IRA and taxable account? I'm assuming I'll also get some type of statement from Midland at the end of the year with my whopping zero balance. The more I think about this, the more complex it gets. I'm sure this isn't something accountants see very often!
     
    #150     Nov 19, 2018