Option trading for a newbie

Discussion in 'Journals' started by Ben74, Oct 17, 2008.

  1. It's fun to read everyone predicting a blow up while the guy keeps making money:D

    He seems to have an edge and a proper MM which both allowed him to do well for 3 months.

    I belive in the guy:)
     
    #81     Jan 27, 2009
  2. NoDoji

    NoDoji

    Yes, I do too. It appears he's not afraid to take a loss. Good sign :cool:
     
    #82     Jan 27, 2009
  3. Ben74

    Ben74

    You're right, volatility does dry up, guess no one else failed to mention that. I checked WLP volatility before I made the trade.

    Implied volatility (IV) on my options were 42, and normal IV is about 30. My resources tell me that if WLP trades to $46.50 tomorrow morning, my options should have doubled. In that case, I need WLP to make a 4 point move or about +8.7% gain. Other sources say that WLP has moved -7.3%, +10.1%, and +8.87% after the past 3 earning reports. Odds of WLP moving 8% in either direction is therefore very likely. I'll take my loss if WLP moves the other direction, but I'd love my gains if WLP moves my direction. Odds are with me with UNH (same sector) increasing last week after a good report. Just what my sources say though. Nothing's concrete, and you may be right that this might be a loser.

    Ben
     
    #83     Jan 27, 2009
  4. Ben74

    Ben74

    WLP had that chance of +8% and it made a +6.5% move. Well not as high as I thought, but I still made a nice trade on WLP. I bought those 20 WLP Feb. 45 calls at $1.10 and just sold out today at $2.05. My gain on this trade is $1,840.

    And with that gain, my total gains are now at $10,183.80. Can't complain, and for those critics, can't say I got lucky. I probably made you money had you bought any kind WLP calls yesterday.

    As it stands right now with the PCLN calls at $2.55, my account is now at $22,248.85 and a nice level compared to starting with $12,000 again in December.

    Ben
     
    #84     Jan 28, 2009
  5. The only problem I have with your style of trading is that when it comes to playing earnings you are either right or wrong. You have been right and are making money which is great, but when you are wrong.....and you will be, the loss will be large and most likely 80 to 100% of your investment. This makes risk management almost impossible and without it no one can make a living at trading.
     
    #85     Jan 28, 2009
  6. NoDoji

    NoDoji

    jr, when buying options on earnings, you should be prepared to lose 80-100% of your investment; however if loss of your total investment does not risk more than an acceptable % of your trading account, that is acceptable risk management, IMHO.
     
    #86     Jan 28, 2009
  7. Thanks for the lesson. I guess 5-10% per trade is acceptable.
     
    #87     Jan 28, 2009
  8. Ben74

    Ben74

    I have taken losses....I loss about ($780) on RIMM, ($1,730) on DNA calls that I closed just days ago, and ($100) on JPM puts too. Like you said though, I've been using about 20% max per trade I think. I tend to stick to about 10 calls/puts unless the price is too high then I move to about 5 calls per trade. Like the WLP calls, I risked about $2000, or 10% of my account. I only expected to lose max $1000 or so.

    I did buy 8 QCOM calls at $2.60 this morning for earnings tonight. Now, QCOM supposedly has a higher IV, so I'm scaling back a bit on this trade. Will let you guys know how QCOM does though.
     
    #88     Jan 28, 2009
  9. Using this "Old Saying" I just bought a bunch of Feb 31 Puts on QQQQ. Really nice run up before the news release. Rally is looking exhausted.
    Looking for an eventual sell off later today or tomorrow, after the Fed releases the Meeting Minutes this afternoon.
     
    #89     Jan 28, 2009
  10. Ben74

    Ben74

    Looks like you're taking the opposite of my QCOM trade then. If you felt the market was going to sell off on this news, then why not take more financial related ETF? Just wondering, I would think the QQQQ is more related to stocks like QCOM, GOOG, MSFT, INTC, RIMM, and AMZN.
     
    #90     Jan 28, 2009