Option trading for a newbie

Discussion in 'Journals' started by Ben74, Oct 17, 2008.

  1. Ben74

    Ben74

    I closed 5 FSLR calls today at $4.40, but it seems I didn't close enought as FSLR is down after hours. Oh well. You win some and you lose some.

    Ben
     
    #111     Feb 24, 2009
  2. Ben:

    Good Journal, and congrats for the wins. I have a question and a suggestion/idea. I will pose the question here, but the idea I prefer to share in a private message. Let me know if I can PM you. As for the question: have you considered doing what you do with OTM butterflies. They cost on commissions, but they are cheap in price. For the same capital you should be able to buy more and make more per win.
     
    #112     Feb 24, 2009
  3. Ben74

    Ben74

    Sold the other 5 FSLR calls at $0.40 and the loss on this trade was ($1,244.90). I'll take that loss any day lol. It could have been closer to a $2,000 loss had I not sold 1/2 earlier.

    Ben
     
    #113     Feb 25, 2009
  4. NoDoji

    NoDoji

    Ben, it was very wise of you to take some profits when presented before earnings, because you never know what can happen. I watched FSLR after hours yesterday and first they announced record earnings and the price went to 144, then suddenly they started talking 2009 guidance and poof, below 120!
     
    #114     Feb 25, 2009
  5. Ben74

    Ben74

    Yeah it was pretty crazy. I think you talked about FLR before, but that is one of my trades today.

    I bought 8 FLR calls at $1.50 and 6 FLS calls at $2.20. Both reported earnings and are flying in post market trades. I'll update tomorrow.
     
    #115     Feb 25, 2009
  6. Ben74

    Ben74

    That's fine just pm me. You might want to go more into details on the trade you explained on your post too, such as comparing the differences. I thought straight calls would give you the most benefit, but it sounds like you feel butterflies are a better reward. That is interesting.

    Ben
     
    #116     Feb 25, 2009
  7. NoDoji

    NoDoji

    I saw both of those after hours. Very nice! Yes, FLR was the example I gave from last summer of gaining $4/share after hours, then dropping hard from the open all day.

    What I've done when trading options under volatile "emotion-driven" conditions (news or earnings) is have a 1-min chart up at the open and use it to guide an exit with maximum profits in case there's a sudden reversal. I have an example of this posted in my journal with a 1-min chart of the action when I traded AAPL calls in early September: http://www.elitetrader.com/vb/showthread.php?s=&threadid=132626&perpage=6&pagenumber=14
     
    #117     Feb 25, 2009
  8. Ben,

    I will follow up on the PM. With regard to butterflies, they will protect you from a volatility crush. They involve three options. You sell the middle strike, and buy the two next to it. You can do them with puts or calls, it does not matter. Execute them as two spreads, as you will have a lower commission.

    Run some numbers and you will notice that the price of a butterfly is low. Maximum profit is when stock ends right at the middle strike.

    Best to you
     
    #118     Feb 26, 2009
  9. Ben74

    Ben74

    Alright, I sold FLR calls earlier at $2.75. As for FLS I just sold minutes or so ago at $5.80. My gains on FLR was $970.10, and my gain on FLS was $2,130.10.

    My overall gains are now at $23,561.75 and my account is now at $35,561.75. Whoa, I'm sitting here and I almost can't believe the money I've made on these trades. It's one of those heart pounding very fast moment. :D

    Ben
     
    #119     Feb 26, 2009
  10. kroponer

    kroponer

    Nice gains Ben! For FLS ans FLR, did you look back at prior earnings releases for guidance for this latest release? With the current economy I figured everyone has to watch out for downside suprises!!
     
    #120     Feb 26, 2009